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Ways to Change the World with Krishnan Guru-Murthy

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How can you change the world? Join Krishnan Guru-Murthy and his guest of the week as they explore the big ideas influencing how we think, act and live.
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Nile Rodgers on his influence on music, activism and a changing America

38:08 | Jul 31st

Nile Rodgers is the disco legend who changed the course of modern music. The Chic track 'Good Times' that he co-wrote has alone been sampled more than 200 times and sparked the advent of hip hop. He talks to Krishnan about his lifetime of hits, wh...Show More
Madeline Miller on making the Classics feminist, modern America and writing Circe

43:59 | Aug 7th

Madeline Miller is the best-selling author of Circe and Song of Achilles. Her books reimagine the ancient myths of The Iliad and The Odyssey, bringing previously neglected characters to the fore. She talks to Krishnan about what drove her to write th...Show More
George the Poet on youth violence, representation, and limitations of government

54:27 | Jul 24th

George Mpanga, better known by his stage name George the Poet, began his career as a rapper, but after feeling constrained by the form, he moved into poetry and now podcasting. His show 'Have You Heard George's Podcast' swept the board at the British...Show More
Gary Jones on editing the Daily Express, fighting Islamophobia in the press and the “curious” relationship between newspapers and politicians

44:59 | Jul 17th

Gary Jones became the editor of the Daily Express in March 2018. Earlier in his career he was on the staff of the News of the World, The Sunday People and the Daily Mirror.  He talks to Krishnan about editing a Tory newspaper as a Labour supporter...Show More
Albert Woodfox on four decades in solitary confinement for a crime he didn't commit, the Black Panthers, and fighting 'the system'

51:28 | Jul 10th

Albert Woodfox was one of the ‘Angola Three’, the three African-American former prison inmates who were held for decades in solitary confinement. Woodfox has recently published his book 'Solitary', retelling the story of the 44 years and 10 months...Show More
David Harewood on his psychosis, being a British black actor in America and Brexit 'ugliness'

50:40 | Jul 3rd

David Harewood is a British actor known for his roles in Homeland, Supergirl and the Merchant of Venice. He has recently made a documentary retracing the events that led up to his psychotic breakdown 30 years ago.  He talks to Krishnan about his e...Show More
Annie Mac on DJ culture, drug policy and gender parity in music

47:54 | Jun 26th

Annie Mac is a superstar DJ headlining festivals all over the world, including this week's Glastonbury. She talks to Krishnan about the death of clubs, how drug culture is changing and why music needs more women calling the shots.
Jack White on hating mobile phones, immigration and his musical influences

45:48 | Jun 19th

Jack White, formerly of The White Stripes and now The Raconteurs, is one of the best guitarists in the world. He talks to Krishnan as his new tour kicks off about why he doesn't own a mobile phone, why the fear of foreigners still shocks him and what...Show More
Tayari Jones on race and class, the abortion debate and the state of American politics

55:17 | Jun 12th

Tayari Jones is an American author and winner of the 2019 Women’s Prize for Fiction. She speaks to Krishnan Guru-Murthy about her most recent novel, An American Marriage, about growing up in the middle class black community of Atlanta, discovering ra...Show More
Waad and Hamza al-Kateab on surviving the siege on Syria, resisting a regime and their documentary 'For Sama'

50:19 | Jun 5th

Waad and Hamza al-Kateab are two Syrian refugees who risked everything to stay in Aleppo during the war. Waad is an award-winning film-maker, whose documentary ‘For Sama’ just won Best Documentary at Cannes. It tells the intimate and epic journey of ...Show More
Tracy Brabin MP on taking over Jo Cox’s seat, the far-right threat and funding the arts

43:19 | May 29th

Tracy Brabin has had an unlikely route into politics. A successful actor for decades, she won Batley and Spen's by-election following the murder of Jo Cox by a far-right extremist. She talks to Krishnan about her transition into the political world, ...Show More
Adwoa Aboah on the power of opening up, the changing face of Vogue and recovering from addiction

41:44 | May 22nd

Adwoa Aboah is a model, activist and founder of ‘Gurls Talk’, an online community for young women to discuss issues that matter to them. She talks to Krishnan about feeling uncomfortable in your skin, recovering from addiction and her contribution to...Show More
Jon Ronson on being curious, his mental breakdown and interviewing Alex Jones

52:41 | May 15th

Jon Ronson is the journalist behind books like 'The Psychopath Test' and 'You've Been Publicly Shamed', documentaries such as 'Tottenham Ayatollah' and more recently the podcast 'The Last Days of August - The Butterfly Effect' which investigates the ...Show More
Matt Haig on living with depression, social media addiction and changing the nervous planet

51:03 | Mar 27th

Matt Haig is a best-selling author of adult and children's books - his most recent being 'Notes on a Nervous Planet' and 'The Truth Pixie'. He talks to Krishnan about his mental breakdown aged 24, how he got through it and the lessons we all need to ...Show More
Simon Amstell on finding joy, why everyone should have therapy and his new film Benjamin

44:33 | Mar 20th

Simon Amstell made his name as a stand-up comedian and presenter, best known for his stint on 'Never Mind the Buzzcocks'. Now he's a fully-fledged film-maker, taking on veganism in his 2017 film 'Carnage', while his latest venture, 'Benjamin', is a s...Show More
Matt Brittin on being a Google boss, freedom of speech on YouTube and the challenges of big tech

48:56 | Mar 13th

Matt Brittin is the President of Google's business and operations in Europe, the Middle East and Africa. He was also a British rower winning medals at the World Championships and representing GB at the Olympics. Krishnan challenges him on some of the...Show More
Rose McGowan on Weinstein, growing up in a cult and running for President

49:04 | Mar 6th

Actor Rose McGowan was one of the first women to accuse Harvey Weinstein of sexual assault, and she's been embroiled in a battle against him and Hollywood ever since. She's now written a memoir 'Brave' and talks to Krishnan about speaking truth to po...Show More
MARINA on the power of pop, tackling female shame and the politics behind her new album

37:48 | Feb 27th

Marina Diamandis, formerly known by her stage name Marina & The Diamonds, has topped the charts with music that blends powerful pop with an indie sound. Her songs have tackled female stereotypes, rape culture and the frivolity of fame - but the last ...Show More
Chuka Umunna MP on leaving Labour, a new centrist party and a second referendum

44:53 | Feb 20th

Chuka Umunna is one of the leading members of the new Independent Group - one of now 11 MPs to leave the traditional parties to forge what they call a new centre ground in politics. He talks to Krishnan about what motivated him to take the leap, what...Show More
James Brokenshire MP on surviving cancer, a no-deal Brexit and how social media is changing politics

51:17 | Feb 13th

James Brokenshire MP is the current Housing Secretary and the first Cabinet minister on Ways to Change The World. He talks to Krishnan Guru-Murthy about being diagnosed with lung cancer and how it changed his life, the current state of politics, and ...Show More
Sayeeda Warsi on Islamophobia, the changing face of Conservative politics and human rights policy

52:40 | Feb 6th

Sayeeda Warsi was the first Muslim MP to serve in British Cabinet. She resigned in 2014 over the Conservative Party's policy towards the Isaeli Gaza conflict, and has since been appointed as a life peer in the House of Lords. She talks to Krishnan ab...Show More
Paul Conroy on being Marie Colvin’s photographer, war reporting and what happened in Syria

57:09 | Jan 30th

Paul Conroy was taking photos alongside The Sunday Times’ foreign correspondent Marie Colvin when she was killed and he was severely injured in Homs, Syria in 2012. It was their last-ditch attempt to tell the story of human suffering in the besieged ...Show More
Ric Lewis on raising up underprivileged children, being the 'most influential' black Briton and life as a 6'10 business man

50:29 | Jan 23rd

Ric Lewis has been named the most influential black Briton in the Powerlist 2019. He runs the largest black-owned and run company in the UK, Tristan Capital Partners, and his Black Heart Foundation aims to remove the barriers to higher education for ...Show More
Michaela Coel on falling out of love with Christianity, Chewing Gum and avoiding stardom

44:24 | Jan 16th

Michaela Coel is a writer and actor who shot to fame with her debut TV show Chewing Gum. She talks to Krishnan about how she lost her faith, why celebrity treatment doesn't interest her and how she wants to change writing rooms in the future.
Rachel Riley on combating antisemitism, 10 years on Countdown and getting girls into maths

43:09 | Jan 9th

Rachel Riley has been the resident mathematician on game show Countdown for 10 years now, but that's not just what she came on our podcast to talk about. She's here to do her first serious interview on why she thinks antisemitism in the UK needs to b...Show More
Munroe Bergdorf on racism, trans activism and acceptance

38:54 | Jan 2nd

Munroe Bergdorf is an activist and model, known for speaking her mind on trans issues, racism and misogyny. She talks to Krishnan about her own transition, the controversy that led to her being dropped by L'Oreal and why tolerance is not enough.
Elif Shafak on multiculturalism, the power of stories and making the political personal

45:52 | Dec 26th, 2018

Elif Shafak is an award-winning Turkish-British novelist and political scientist. She's published 16 books - making her the most widely read female author in Turkey.  She talks to Krishnan about whether you can truly be a citizen of the world, how...Show More
Helena Kennedy QC on changing the justice system, her working class roots and debating what's right

38:02 | Dec 19th, 2018

Baroness Helena Kennedy is one of Britain's foremost human rights lawyers and a Labour peer. She's played a key role in many prominent inquiries including the Brighton Bombing trial, the bombing of the Israeli Embassy and fought the world's first cas...Show More
Lord Michael Heseltine on Brexit, Theresa May and fighting poverty

39:58 | Dec 12th, 2018

Lord Michael Heseltine is a veteran of politics. He served as Deputy Prime Minister under Margaret Thatcher and was crucial in her removal from power. He now sits on the Conservative benches of the House of Lords and has strongly argued against B...Show More
Damon Albarn on politicians vs musicians, a People's Vote and his new album

29:34 | Dec 5th, 2018

Damon Albarn had made his name as a political musician - as the frontman for Blur, Gorillaz and The Good, The Bad and The Queen - he was vocally opposed to the Iraq War and now, is entirely frustrated by Brexit. He talks to Krishnan backstage before ...Show More
David Lammy MP on social justice, Brexit and not being a Corbynista

53:19 | Nov 28th, 2018

David Lammy won his seat as the Labour MP for Tottenham in 2000 and since then, has become famous for his moving political speeches surrounding the Grenfell Tower disaster, the Windrush scandal and London's growing knife crime problem. He talks to Kr...Show More
Lea DeLaria on Trump, playing 'Big Boo' on OITNB and how Me Too left out lesbians

37:50 | Nov 21st, 2018

Lea DeLaria broke new ground when she became one of the first openly queer stand-up comedians to grace the US stage. She now plays 'Big Boo' in Orange is the New Black and tours the world singing jazz. She talks to Krishnan about why she thinks Donal...Show More
Greg Wise on loss, love and why we need to talk about death

42:26 | Nov 14th, 2018

From Sense and Sensibility to The Crown, actor Greg Wise has made regular appearances on our screens. He's also well-known as the husband of Dame Emma Thompson. Recently he put work on hold to be the primary carer for his sister Clare who was dying o...Show More
Imogen Heap on revolutionising the music industry, working with Taylor Swift and blockchain

37:45 | Nov 7th, 2018

Imogen Heap is a Grammy-award winning singer-songwriter, who has now turned her energies to blockchain technology. She talks to Krishnan about her big ideas to change the way musicians get paid, and what Taylor Swift is really like.
Laura Bates on talking sex and harassment in schools, positive action and tackling misogyny

42:45 | Oct 31st, 2018

Laura Bates founded the Everyday Sexism project in 2012, long before the Me Too movement gained traction. It was a space where women could share their stories of sexual assault and highlight how normalised it had become. She talks to Krishnan about w...Show More
David Baddiel on honesty, antisemitism and Three Lions

42:11 | Oct 24th, 2018

David Baddiel is one of the great comedians and satirists of a generation. From writing children's books to unofficial national anthems, he says he's constantly compelled to tell the honest truth. He talks to Krishnan about how truth should change th...Show More
Michael Moore on Trump, Brexit and his new film

31:46 | Oct 17th, 2018

Oscar-winning documentary maker Michael Moore has made his name, and won his awards, by offering searing critiques of American society. Famed for Bowling for Columbine and Fahrenheit 9/11, a left-wing, globalist outlook drives him and his films. He c...Show More
Jameela Jamil on banning airbrushing, the Kardashians and her traumatic teens

49:48 | Aug 29th, 2018

Jameela Jamil does not want to be known as a 'double agent of the patriarchy'. Star of Netflix' The Good Place and former Radio 1 DJ, she is rallying against a culture of airbrushing, weight-loss and vanity. She chats to Krishnan about her latest 'I ...Show More
Jacqueline Gold on sexual culture, empowering women and what's holding back the high street

47:45 | Aug 22nd, 2018

CEO of Ann Summers and one of the richest woman in Great Britain, Jacqueline Gold is the brains behind one of the biggest businesses on the British high street. She talks to Krishnan about the challenges she faced at the beginning, what impact she th...Show More
Richard Curtis on the future of charity, his films and optimism

49:52 | Aug 15th, 2018

Screenwriter of Love Actually, Notting Hill and Four Weddings and a Funeral, Richard Curtis' influence on romantic comedies and the nation's Christmas viewing schedules is immense. But, he's also just as world-changing for his charity work. As the fo...Show More
Gina Miller on a post-Brexit world, death threats and rethinking capitalism

44:24 | Aug 8th, 2018

Gina Miller was the lead claimant in a successful legal battle ensuring parliament had the final say over triggering Article 50. Defender of the constitution to some, 'enemy of the people' to others, she talks to Krishnan about why the British public...Show More
Darren ‘Loki’ McGarvey on poverty, personal responsibility and rap

42:52 | Aug 1st, 2018

Glaswegian rapper Loki is this year’s Orwell Prize winner for his book ‘Poverty Safari’. He talks to Krishnan about how he negotiated a difficult childhood and an alcohol problem, how he thinks poverty can be tackled and why the left need to reclaim ...Show More
Faiza Shaheen on solutions to austerity, why she wants to be an MP and institutional racism

44:15 | Jul 27th, 2018

Our guest this week is Faiza Shaheen, the director of left wing think tank CLASS, who plans to run for Labour against veteran Conservative Party politician Iain Duncan Smith in a bid to become an MP. She chats to Krishnan about why she thinks we n...Show More
Jacob Rees-Mogg MP on not being Prime Minister, immigration and delivering Brexit

46:18 | Jul 18th, 2018

Jacob Rees-Mogg is the backbencher Tory MP who will stop at nothing to achieve a hard Brexit. Taking a break from his daily routine of goading the government on their Brexit position, he chats to Krishnan about his early life and political ambitions,...Show More
Ken Clarke MP on Brexit chaos, being a Tory rebel and answering critics

43:24 | Jul 11th, 2018

Ken Clarke has been a Member of Parliament for almost five decades. As the longest serving MP, he talks to Krishnan about why Brexit is in such chaos, his long-standing Conservative views and why he thinks it’s important politicians talk honestly to ...Show More
Jess Phillips MP on domestic abuse, Corbynistas and drug policy

48:51 | Jul 4th, 2018

A Labour politician with an outspoken style, Jess Phillips MP has risen to public prominence as the feminist with big ideas about how to liberate women. She talks to Krishnan about why she thinks she’s powerful, why Jeremy Corbyn wouldn’t be a good P...Show More
Ed Husain on his life after Islamic extremism, a Middle East Union and tackling terrorism

43:41 | Jun 27th, 2018

Former Islamic extremist turned anti-radicalisation think-tank founder Ed Husain talks to Krishnan Guru-Murthy on the release of his new book House of Islam: A Global History. His faith in peace, unity and God sustains, informed by his own journey fr...Show More
Johnny Marr on Morrissey, why he hates politicians and the Manchester attack

33:23 | Jun 20th, 2018

The Smiths guitarist Johnny Marr talks to Krishnan Guru-Murthy from London's ICA on the release of his new album Call the Comets. A political musician from his early days of gigging at Glastonbury, he now talks of disagreeing with Smiths frontman Mor...Show More
Nawal El Saadawi on feminism, fiction and the illusion of democracy

42:12 | Jun 13th, 2018

Revolutionary Egyptian feminist Nawal El Saadawi talks to Krishnan Guru-Murthy about the injustice of the patriarchy, what inspires her to write and why she thinks democracy doesn't exist. Rate, review and subscribe to Ways to Change the World for...Show More
Helena Morrissey on diversity at the top, gender equality and her 9 children

41:56 | Jun 6th, 2018

Financial CEO Dame Helena Morrissey talks to Krishnan Guru-Murthy about how to rethink the world of work, what it takes to get true diversity in board rooms and rising to the top with nine children. You can also watch the podcast episodes on our Y...Show More
Salman Rushdie on no-platforming, magical realism and America in crisis

43:49 | May 30th, 2018

Acclaimed author Salman Rushdie talks to Krishnan Guru-Murthy thirty years on from the controversial publication of The Satanic Verses. He talks in part about his new book The Golden House, what the fake news phenomenon means for literature and why A...Show More
Germaine Greer on women's liberation, the trans community and her own experience of rape

45:39 | May 23rd, 2018

Feminist writer and academic Germaine Greer talks to Krishnan Guru-Murthy about why she is against gender equality, for women's liberation and uninterested in the trans community. She also talks in-depth for the first time about her own experience of...Show More
Michael Sheen on acting to activism, fighting poverty and playing Tony Blair 

42:25 | May 16th, 2018

Actor Michael Sheen talks to Krishnan Guru-Murthy about why his focus has shifted from acting to activism, his campaign to stop high cost credit lenders targeting working class communities, and what he learned from playing Tony Blair. Please rate,...Show More
Peter Tatchell on the power of direct action, arresting Mugabe and LGBTQ rights

38:31 | May 9th, 2018

Activist Peter Tatchell talks to Krishnan Guru-Murthy about his life's work as a human rights activist, why he so passionately fights for LGBTQ rights and the moment he arrested former Zimbabwean President Robert Mugabe. Rate, review and subscribe...Show More
Benjamin Zephaniah on Windrush, anarchism and his time in North Korea

41:54 | May 2nd, 2018

Poet, writer and activist Benjamin Zephaniah talks to Krishnan Guru-Murthy about the Windrush scandal, how the political system should be torn down and why he spends so much time in China. Rate, review and subscribe to the Ways to Change the World...Show More
Tom Walker (AKA Jonathan Pie) on satire, freedom of speech and debating better

41:05 | Apr 25th, 2018

Political satirist Tom Walker, best known for his viral comedy persona Jonathan Pie, talks to Krishnan Guru-Murthy about his satire, why the left need to reclaim freedom of speech and how he’d change the world. Rate, review and subscribe to Ways t...Show More
Caroline Lucas MP on basic income, working less and the power of Parliament

39:14 | Apr 18th, 2018

Co-leader of the Green Party and MP for Brighton Pavilion Caroline Lucas talks to Krishnan Guru-Murthy about her vision for changing the economy, the lifestyle changes we could make to live in harmony with our environment and whether Parliament has b...Show More
Peter Hitchens on Bolshevism, multiculturalism and his brother

48:42 | Apr 11th, 2018

Columnist Peter Hitchens talks to Krishnan Guru-Murthy about his political transition from Bolshevism to conservatism, his fiery writing and what he would do to change the world, if given the chance. Rate, review and subscribe to Ways to Change th...Show More
Reni Eddo-Lodge on race, social injustice and quotas

48:50 | Apr 4th, 2018

Acclaimed writer Reni Eddo-Lodge talks to Krishnan Guru-Murthy about not talking to white people about race, BME quotas in the workplace and how she would change the world if given the chance. Rate, review and subscribe to Ways to Change the World...Show More
Lily Cole on ethical fashion, technology and bullying

48:52 | Mar 28th, 2018

Former supermodel turned writer, actor and social entrepreneur Lily Cole talks to Krishnan Guru-Murthy about why she left the modelling industry, her eco-friendly lifestyle and what she would do to change the world. Rate, review and subscribe to ...Show More
Mark Regev on Israel, conflict and antisemitism

55:27 | Mar 28th, 2018

Israel's ambassador to the United Kingdom Mark Regev speaks to Krishnan Guru-Murthy about his role as a diplomat, whether he thinks there's a problem with antisemitism in the Labour Party and what he would do to change the world, if given the chance....Show More
Coming Soon: Ways to Change the World with Krishnan Guru-Murthy

00:46 | Mar 14th, 2018

How can you change the world? Join Krishnan Guru-Murthy and his guest each week as they explore the big ideas influencing how we think, act and live.