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The fight for a gender-neutral Spanish

20:26 | Dec 6th, 2019

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Samantha Schmidt talks to the Argentine teens promoting a more inclusive Spanish. And Kevin Sieff reports from a squalid tent city in Matamoros, Mexico, where refugees are forced to wait for their asy...Show More


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aliceko recommended:Dec 7th, 2019

WOW. I've been learning Spanish for the past 3 years in Colombia and it never even occurred to me that a 'gender neutral' form of Spanish exists. I've been focused on learning what is grammatically correct, and honestly never even questioned WHY the masculine trumps the feminine - even when it doesn...Show More

alicekoDec 7th, 2019

Also just want to make a case for why I've always said Mandarin is EASIER to learn than Spanish - there are no gender-based words! And no verb conjugation!!!

mm recommended:Dec 7th, 2019

I’ve always wondered why things like tables and chairs in Spanish and French are gendered. Gave me such a hard time remembering the genders. Also, fascinating research about the patriarchy of the Spanish language and how it affects workforce gender balance and workers’ psyches. Good on the young peo...Show More

molinosDec 7th, 2019

Hi, in Spain the use of gender-neutral Spanish is not very extended even among young speakers. I have two teenage daughters and I haven't heard talked about this topic. What they are more into is in the fight for using for example "todas" plural feminine when talking about a group of people where wo...Show More

alicekoDec 7th, 2019

@mm @serena

mmDec 7th, 2019

@molinos Very interesting! Thanks for the insight. Pardon my ignorance, but if it’s a group where it’s exactly half male and female, will it be “todas” or “todos”?

molinosDec 7th, 2019

@mm will be "todos". The norm says that the masculine plural is the form tonuse even if there is only one man among a thousand women. That's the gramaticaly correct form but nowadays more and more people are using "todas" when there are more women or the same numer of women and men.

alicekoDec 7th, 2019

@molinos @mm This morning, I saw a poster of women at my gym but they used the plural form "amigos" instead of "amigas" to describe them. As an introductory Spanish speaker, I had never paid attention to the use of WHY the masculine form trumps the feminine -- until now. I cannot wait to ask my nat...Show More

mmDec 7th, 2019

@aliceko @molinos But wouldn’t a group of women be “amigas” regardless as long as there are no men in the group?

alicekoDec 7th, 2019

@mm @molinos I'm going to share the photo on IG and tag you. You'll see what I mean.

molinosDec 7th, 2019

@mm @aliceko Yes, if there is no men in the group it should be "amigas" if they are refering to the group. But maybe the poster was adressing the people, advertaising the gym or a product, in this case "amigos" is correct. It is like if they were saying "Amigos, but this prodict" or "Amigos, come to...Show More

molinosDec 7th, 2019

@aliceko in IG I'm @molinos1282

molinosDec 7th, 2019

@molinos sorry for the misspeling.

mmDec 7th, 2019

@molinos Ahhhh that makes sense because they are referring to the readers of the ad who are of all genders 👍

molinosDec 7th, 2019

@mm exactly

fiercefabDec 11th, 2019

@mm thanks for asking! You asked about my circles, well — were mostly diaspora speakers who struggle to speak the language as smoothly (never mind as frequently) as our families back home. Rewiring my usage without a critical mass in a social group would be extremely hard, but not impossible if I li...Show More

mmDec 11th, 2019

@fiercefab Super interesting! Thanks so much for sharing. Have you heard anything in El Salvador or in your diaspora circles regarding what @molinos was saying about plural feminine? From @molino's comment above: "What they are more into is in the fight for using for example "todas" plural feminine ...Show More

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