The Nine Design Podcast
1) Leading with a Spicy Brain: Neurodiversity, Burnout, & Psychological Safety with Kathryn Martens
Sarina and Seth sit down with leadership coach and neuro-affirming practitioner Kathryn Martens, founder of Release Leadership. Kathryn shares her own recent ADHD diagnosis, her journey supporting neu...Show More
2) Jeff Cook on Mental Health, Meaning Making, and Why Time Orientation Shapes Every Enneagram Type
In this rich and thoughtful conversation, Sarina sits down with philosopher, author, and co-host of the Around the Circle podcast, Jeff Cook, to explore one of the most overlooked layers of the Enneag...Show More
3) Waiting in the In-Between: Liminal Spaces & the Head Centre with Bruce Hulme
What happens when life is âbetwixt and in-betweenâ? In this episode, Seth and Sarina talk with  freelance wisdom educator, pastoral supervisor, spiritual director, and Enneagram Type Five Dr Bruce Hul...Show More
Waiting in the In-Between: Liminal Spaces & the Head Centre with Bruce Hulme
51:07 | Dec 2nd, 2025
4) Bonus: Narcissism and the 9 Enneagram Types with Chuck DeGroat
This special bonus episode features Christian psychologist Chuck DeGroat and packs a lot into just 12 minutes:A brief, clear explanation of narcissismA flyover of how narcissism shows up across all ni...Show More
5) Unmasking Self-Care: Chuck DeGroat on Healing and Homecoming
What does true self-care look like beneath the surface?In this conversation with Professor, Author, Therapist, and Spiritual Director Chuck DeGroat, we explore what lies beyond the quick fixes and pol...Show More
6) Mind Map: How Our Thinking Shapes Our Personality
Ever wonder whatâs really going on in your head? In this Season 5 premier episode, hosts Seth and Sarina dive into the Enneagramâs Head Centre - home to Types 5, 6, and 7. They reflect on their journe...Show More
7) Live Coaching Session
Have you have ever wondered what Enneagram coaching is like? Sarina gives us a special window into her enneagram coaching practice as she guides Seth through exploring Type 3's pathway to personal gro...Show More
8) The Enneagram's Invitation to a Deeper Spiritual Journey with Dr Tim McCowan
Sarina and Seth catch up with Spiritual Director, Lecturer, Community Organiser, Spiritual Formation Educator Dr Tim McCowan. Tim shares his personal Enneagram journey, learning from Fr. Richard Rohr ...Show More
The Enneagram's Invitation to a Deeper Spiritual Journey with Dr Tim McCowan
35:09 | Feb 6th, 2024
9) Should Christians use the Enneagram? With Tyler Zach.
Join Seth and Sarina in conversation with author, speaker, and pastor Tyler Zach as they delve into the sometimes controversial topic of whether Christians should use the enneagram. Listen as Tyler sh...Show More
10) The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence with Scott Allender
In this episode Sarina got to chat with author, speaker, emotional intelligence coach, enneagram teacher, and co-host of the Evolving Leader Podcast Scott Allender. Scott shares his insights on how al...Show More