No Way Out Podcast
1) TOPGUN vs. Major Boyd: Humans Over Algorithms with CAPT Dan Pederson
Send us a text In this episode of No Way Out , Captain Dan "Yank" Pederson, the "Godfather" of TOPGUN, shares the origin story of the Navy Fighter Weapons School, established in 1969 during the Vietna...Show More
2) AI’s D&C Cycles Accelerate: Harmonizing Agents and The Big 'O’rientation with Mahault Albarracin, PhD
Send us a text What if we've been thinking about AI all wrong? What if endless scaling isn't the answer, but instead we need systems that understand context, embody knowledge, and grasp causal relatio...Show More
3) Human-Agent Team of Teams: Active Inference AI & The Spatial Web w/ Dr. David Bray and Denise Holt
Send us a text The technological paradigm we've grown accustomed to—with centralized AI models hallucinating answers and requiring massive energy consumption—is about to undergo a profound transformat...Show More
4) Outmaneuver Complexity: AI Gold Rush 2.0 & Adaptive Capacity with David Woods, PhD
Send us a text What happens when our increasingly interconnected systems face unexpected challenges? Dr. David Woods, pioneer of resilience engineering, explores how organizations can build the adapti...Show More
5) Reorienting Safety: Human and Organizational Performance (HOP) with Todd Conklin
Send us a text The gap between how work is imagined and how work actually happens sits at the heart of our most persistent safety challenges. In this illuminating conversation with Professor Todd Conk...Show More
6) From Big Bang to Brain: How Entropy Shapes Safety and Systems with David Slater, PhD
Send us a text Step into the fascinating world where neuroscience meets safety in this mind-expanding conversation with Professor David Slater. Beyond conventional safety thinking, we explore how our ...Show More
7) Pre-Event Indicators: Staying Left of Bang With Patrick Van Horne
Send us a text What if you could see disruption coming before it hits? The concept of "Left of Bang" transforms how we understand threat detection and strategic advantage—not just in combat zones, but...Show More
8) Learning War, Winning in the Age of AI: Lessons in Adaptive Strategy with Trent Hone
Send us a text What can today's organizations learn from the US Navy's approach to innovation during the rapid technological changes of the 1920s, 30s, and 40s? Trent Hone reveals how naval leadership...Show More
9) Drones, Airspace, AI, and Decision Making: DroneUp CEO on Leading in Complexity
Send us a text When Tom Walker walked into a Best Buy and saw drone technology more advanced than the space shuttle selling for under $1,000, he knew aerial autonomous systems would fundamentally chan...Show More
10) Top Gun Day Special: The Four Ps of OODA
Send us a text In this electrifying No Way Out podcast episode, recorded on May 13, 2025—Top Gun Day—hosts Brian "Ponch" Rivera and Mark "Moose" McGrath dive into John Boyd’s OODA Loop through the "Fo...Show More