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DevOps Cafe Podcast

John Willis & Damon Edwards

In this interview driven show, John Willis and Damon Edwards take a pragmatic look at the technology, tools, and business developments behind the emerging DevOps movement.
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DevOps Cafe Ep 79 - Guests: Joseph Jacks and Ben Kehoe

1:17:25 | Aug 13th, 2018

Triggered by Google Next 2018, John and Damon chat with Joseph Jacks (stealth startup) and Ben Kehoe (iRobot) about their public disagreements — and agreements — about Kubernetes and Serverless.
DevOps Cafe Ep 78 - Guest: J. Paul Reed

50:43 | Jul 23rd, 2018

John and Damon chat with J.Paul Reed (Release Engineering Approaches) about the field of Systems Safety and Human Factors that studies why accidents happen and how to minimize the occurrence and impact. Show notes at
DevOps Cafe Ep. 77 - Damon interviews John

57:48 | Jun 20th, 2018

A new season of DevOps Cafe is here. The topic of this episode is "DevSecOps." Damon interviews John about what this term means, why it matters now, and the overall state of security.  Show notes at
DevOps Cafe Ep. 76 - Guest: Randy Shoup

1:00:27 | Oct 12th, 2017

John and Damon chat with Randy Shoup (Stitch Fix) about what he's learned building high-scale systems and teams through multiple generations of technology and practices... and how he is doing it again today. Show notes at
DevOps Cafe Ep. 75 - Guest: Barbara Bouldin

59:38 | Sep 21st, 2017

John and Damon chat with Barbara Bouldin about her first-hand view of the good -- and the ugly -- through the past few decades of the technology industry. From Bell Labs to the breakup of AT&T ("Ma Bell") to enterprise software to transforming govern...Show More
DevOps Cafe Ep. 74 - Guest: Alan Shimel

1:03:10 | Aug 29th, 2017

Alan Shimel ( joins John and Damon for a freewheeling conversation that draws connections between DevOps transformations and Alan's background in the security, investment, and publishing industries.  Show notes at
DevOps Cafe Ep. 73 - Guest: Patrick Chanezon

47:32 | Jul 12th, 2017

Patrick Chanezon (Docker) chats with John and Damon about trends that are changing how Developers work. Show notes at
DevOps Cafe Ep. 72 - Guest: Kelsey Hightower

1:06:28 | Jun 19th, 2017

John and Damon chat with Kelsey Hightower (Google) about the future of Operations, Kubernetes, Docker, containers, self-learning, and more!
DevOps Cafe Ep. 71 - Guest: Courtney Kissler

1:08:36 | May 26th, 2017

John and Damon pick Courtney Kissler’s brain (Starbucks) on the techniques that enable her to be a hands-on technology leader with a track record for getting teams to find and fix what is getting in the way.
DevOps Cafe Ep. 70 - Guest: James Turnbull

56:32 | Oct 27th, 2016

James Turnbull joins John and Damon to chat about monitoring, automation, and the changing art of operations. In addition to his current work as a practitioner (Kickstarter) and past as vendor (Puppet Labs), you might also have read some of James's p...Show More
DevOps Cafe Ep. 69 - Guest: Justin Cormack

1:10:37 | Sep 19th, 2016

Justin Cormack (Unikernel Systems / Docker) joins John and Damon to discuss the rise of unikernels, containers, microservices, serverless, and other trends that are threatening to change not only what our systems look like, but how we interact with t...Show More
DevOps Cafe Ep. 68 - Guest: Patrick Debois

1:07:00 | Jul 7th, 2016

John and Damon welcome back the always insightful Patrick Debois to get his practitioner point of view of going "serverless", delivering mobile apps, and the continued evolution of DevOps.
DevOps Cafe Ep. 67 - Guest: Mark Imbriaco

1:02:33 | Jun 8th, 2016

Mark Imbriaco (Operable) returns to discuss the changing role of Operations, ChatOps, and more.   Show notes at
DevOps Cafe Ep. 66 - Guest: Damon interviews John

1:26:42 | Feb 26th, 2016

Damon turns the tables and interviews John. The wide ranging conversations hits on everything from containers, to Docker, to microservices, to immutable infrastructure, to unikernals, and the impact of it all.  Show notes at
DevOps Cafe Ep. 65 - John interviews Damon

1:14:44 | Dec 15th, 2015

In this special episode, John interviews Damon about Damon's #DOES15 presentation, "DevOps Kaizen: Practical Steps to Start & Sustain a Transformation". See the presentation slides and video in the show notes at
DevOps Cafe Ep. 64 - Guest: Nicole Forsgren

1:02:38 | Nov 19th, 2015

John and Damon chat with researcher, data scientist, and IT operational performance expert, Dr. Nicole Forsgren. Nicole answers John and Damon's questions about the 2015 State of DevOps Report, highlights the areas that are groundbreaking, and gives ...Show More
DevOps Cafe Ep. 63 - Guest: Josh Corman

1:08:57 | Sep 2nd, 2015

Josh Corman (Sonatype, Rugged DevOps, I am the Cavalry) joins John and Damon for a chat about why security means more than preventing theft and can't be separated from quality, why the software supply chain can literally be about life or death, wanti...Show More
DevOps Cafe Ep. 62 - Guests: Mary and Tom Poppendieck

1:04:02 | Aug 17th, 2015

John and Damon talk to Mary and Tom Poppendieck about their groundbreaking work translating Lean product development principles to software development, "The Seven Deadly Sins", containers to reduce friction, their best-selling books, and what keeps ...Show More
DevOps Cafe Ep. 61 - Guest: Jody Mulkey

1:17:07 | Jul 27th, 2015

Jody Mulkey (CTO, Ticketmaster) joins John and Damon to talk about the ups and downs of transforming a global enterprise. Topics include: Applying lean product development, building the alignment with the right metrics, finding your way to inspiring ...Show More
DevOps Cafe Ep. 60 - Guest: Paula Thrasher

44:27 | May 18th, 2015

John and Damon chat with Paula Trasher (CSC) about her work changing organizational behavior while simultaniousy getting the job done... and doing so in the face of classic government bureaucracy... and then going back for more.
DevOps Cafe Ep. 59 - Guest: Dave McCrory

56:24 | Apr 16th, 2015

John and Damon chat with Dave McCrory (CTO, Basho) about Data Gravity, the demands of Internet of Things, PaaS in the enterprise, and more. Show notes at
DevOps Cafe Ep. 58 - Guest: Zoran Perkov

1:05:49 | Apr 4th, 2015

John and Damon chat with Zoran Perkov, one of the stars of Michael Lewis's hit book, Flash Boys. They discuss operations when milliseconds are a competitve advantage and a 22 second outage grabs global headlines. Simplicity and "complicated vs comple...Show More
DevOps Cafe Ep. 57 - John and Damon catch-up

1:01:53 | Mar 24th, 2015

In the 2015 return of DevOps Cafe, John and Damon catch-up on a wide range of topics. Yes, Docker and microservices come up... but so does organizational change, Conway's law, burnout, and more.
DevOps Cafe Ep. 56 - Guest: Sidney Dekker

1:05:37 | Oct 20th, 2014

Why do disasters happen? How can they be avoided? Professor and noted author, Sidney Dekker, chats with John and Damon about the interaction of humans and complex systems.
DevOps Cafe Ep. 55 - Guest: Tom Limoncelli

1:12:38 | Oct 1st, 2014

Tom Limoncelli (StackExchange) joins John and Damon to chat about the history and future of systems administration and operations as a craft and culture. Tom's books and community involvement are also discussed. Show notes at
DevOps Cafe Ep. 54 - Gene Kim Interview John and Damon

48:08 | Sep 5th, 2014

Gene Kim is back... and this time the tables are turned! Gene plays host and interviews John and Damon about DevOps in the Enterprise (or anybody that has large organizational complexity and scale) Show notes and conference discount code at http://d...Show More
DevOps Cafe Ep. 53 - Guest: Mandi Walls

1:04:59 | Aug 27th, 2014

Mandi Walls joins John and Damon to chat about the perspectives and insights she has gained through her journeys in  the DevOps movement... from a practitioner in high-scale web operations... to well-known community member... to working with customer...Show More
DevOps Cafe Ep. 52 - Guests: Matt Ho and Alex Honor

59:20 | Aug 18th, 2014

Matt Ho (Loyal3) and Alex Honor (DTO Solutions and SimplifyOps) join John and Damon to chat about how financial services startup Loyal3 got through the growing pains and transformed into a nimble and scalable organization... all in the face of tight ...Show More
DevOps Cafe Ep. 51 - Guests: Michael Coté & Jay Lyman

1:03:00 | Jul 22nd, 2014

John and Damon are joined by Michael Coté and Jay Lyman from The 451 Group to get an analyst view of DevOps and the enterprise. Also discussed is Jay and Cote's historical involvement with the DevOps movement.  Show notes at
DevOps Cafe Ep. 50 - Adrian Cockcroft

46:03 | Jul 22nd, 2014

John and Damon welcome Adrian Cockcroft to the show to discuss the lessons he's learned along his journey from Sun to eBay to Nextflix to Battery Ventures. Adrian talks about building resilient systems, company culture, micro-services, containers, th...Show More
DevOps Cafe Ep. 49 - Brandon Burton

57:28 | Feb 20th, 2014

John and Damon catch-up with Brandon Burton (Mozilla) to talk about his DevOps journey, the upcoming SCALE conference, and how DevOps patterns are really Lean patterns and apply everywhere. Show notes at
DevOps Cafe Ep. 48 - Guest: JR Rivers

51:14 | Feb 20th, 2014

JR Rivers (Cumulus Networks) joins John and Damon for a chat about an approach to networking equipment that challenges the conventional thinking that the hardware and the software must come tightly bundled together from the same vendor. What does tha...Show More
DevOps Cafe Ep. 47 - Guests: QCon London 2014 DevOps Track

54:44 | Feb 6th, 2014

John and Damon are joined by our largest panel of guests yet. What do they all have in common? The DevOps track at the upcoming QCon London 2014. Find out what these speakers will be talking about and what the thought process was behind putting toget...Show More
DevOps Cafe Ep. 46 - Guest: Ben Golub

50:40 | Jan 24th, 2014

Ben Golub, CEO of Docker, joins John and Damon for a chat about Docker (the project) and Docker (the company). Show notes at
DevOps Cafe Ep.45 - Guest: Michael DeHaan

59:54 | Dec 8th, 2013

John and Damon chat with Michael DeHaan (Ansible Works) about configuration management and his approach with Ansible.  Video and show notes are at
DevOps Cafe Ep. 44 - Guest: Gene Kim

1:00:57 | Nov 20th, 2013

John and Damon get a return visit from Gene Kim, co-author of The Phoenix Project, to discuss what he's learned in the 8 months since the book launched. You can find the show notes and leave comments at
DevOps Cafe Ep. 43 - Guest: Tyler Jewell

52:03 | Oct 29th, 2013

John and Damon welcome Tyler Jewell (Codenvy) to the show to talk about developer productivity and his company's approach to eliminating waste in development environment setup. Show notes at
DevOps Cafe Ep. 42 - Guest: Brent Salisbury

56:21 | Sep 29th, 2013

John and Damon welcome networking guru Brent Salisbury (University of Kentucky) to the show for a chat software defined networks and the future of network administration.  Video and show notes at
DevOps Cafe Ep. 41 - Guest: Dave Mangot

1:06:25 | Sep 10th, 2013

John and Damon welcome Dave Mangot ( to the show for a chat about DevOps, organizational design, responsibility, and toolchain choices. Show notes at
DevOps Cafe Ep. 40 - Guest: Rob England (The IT Skeptic)

1:27:37 | Mar 26th, 2013

John and Damon welcome Rob England to the show for a chat. Rob is famously known for being The IT Skeptic and previously casting his skeptical" eye towards DevOps. Tune in to find out what Rob now thinks DevOps is doing right, and where he still thin...Show More
DevOps Cafe Ep. 39 - Part 2

52:40 | Mar 15th, 2013

John and Damon continue their conversation about Dell World, the Lean Startup Conference, and other DevOps related happenings. Recorded Dec 2012.
DevOps Cafe Ep. 39 - Part 1

1:00:03 | Mar 14th, 2013

Recorded back at the end of 2012, John and Damon catch-up and discuss the Lean Startup Conference and other DevOps related happenings.
DevOps Cafe Ep.38 - Guest: Dave Zwieback

1:04:11 | Feb 9th, 2013

John and Damon chat with Dave Zwieback (Knewton) about his excellent talk from DevOps Days New York and the most difficult part of DevOps... hiring.  Show notes at
DevOps Cafe Ep. 37 - Guest: Andrew Clay Shafer

1:07:43 | Dec 13th, 2012

John and Damon have a long form conversation with Andrew Clay Shafer that goes everywhere from DevOps, to Cloud, to Lean, to a trip down startup memory lane. Show notes at
DevOps Cafe Ep. 36 - Guest: Jeffrey Snover

1:06:25 | Nov 28th, 2012

Jeffrey Snover (Microsoft) join John and Damon for a chat about bringing DevOps ideas into a classic organization like Microsoft, inventing PowerShell, automating in a Windows environment, reaching out to open source tool makers, and a trip down syst...Show More
DevOps Cafe Ep. 35 - Live Roundtable at PuppetConf 2012

41:33 | Nov 20th, 2012

Second annual live PuppetConf episode. Panelists were James Turnbull (Puppet Labs), Richard Newman (Reliant Security), Kris Buytaert (Inuits), Ken Barber (Puppet Labs), John Willis (Entratus), and Damon Edwards (DTO Solutions). Show notes at http://d...Show More
DevOps Cafe Ep. 34

1:27:18 | Nov 12th, 2012

No guests this episode... just John and Damon catching up after PuppetConf, Velocity Europe, DevOps Days Rome, and more. It's a long conversation about a variety of topics. The next episode will feature a guest and a return to the interview format.
DevOps Cafe Ep. 33 - Guest: Jez Humble

1:00:44 | Sep 26th, 2012

Jez Humble joins John and Damon for a chat about DevOps, the history of Continuous Delivery, leadership, and changing culture.   Show notes are at
DevOps Cafe Ep. 32 - Guest: Joe Williams

46:08 | Sep 6th, 2012

John and Damon catch up with Joe Williams to chat about life inside a SaaS infrastructure. The conversation ranges from lessons learned, to Joe's latest favorite technology, to what it's like working at Boundary.  Show notes at
DevOps Cafe Ep. 31 - Guest: Simon Wardley

1:11:03 | Aug 24th, 2012

John and Damon chat with Simon Wardley about DevOps, the Cloud, and the nature of competitive advantage between companies. In Simon's usual style, he bridges the gap between the practical and the deep theoretical.  Show notes are at http://devopscafe...Show More
DevOps Cafe Ep. 30 - Guests: David J. Anderson & Dominica DeGrandis

59:09 | Jun 14th, 2012

Time to talk Kanban! John and Damon go straight to the Kanban source in a chat with David J. Anderson and Dominica DeGrandis. Topics include why Kanban works, where it came from, and where it is going. Show notes at
DevOps Cafe Ep. 29 - DevOps Days Tokyo Wrap-up

26:02 | Jun 7th, 2012

John and Damon are live in Tokyo where they are joined by Jay Hotta (Creationline) for a quick chat about DevOps Days Tokyo. Be sure not to miss the part about the literal translation of "DevOps". Show notes at
DevOps Cafe Ep. 28 - Guests: Opscode senior management at ChefConf 2012

1:05:21 | May 26th, 2012

Live from ChefConf 2012, John and Damon sit down for a roundtable discussion with Adam Jacob, Jesse Robbins, Chris Brown, and Mitch Hill. Recorded in front of a live studio audience. Show notes at