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Twice a week, this podcast will take you on a smart, direct, sometimes scary, sometimes profane, sometimes hilarious tour of the inner workings of American power and of the impact of our leaders and their policies on our standing in the world. Hoste...Show More

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Blame the Nerds

36:38 | Dec 14th, 2017

It's easy to blame the pols. For the pols its easy to blame one another. (Or if you are Roy Moore, who used to be a Senate candidate in the U.S., you can blame the sinners. Or Mitch McConnell. Or Sassy, the horse. Take your pick). But when polic...Show More

A Conversation with Entertainment Weekly Journalist Anthony Breznican

43:04 | Mar 15th

Washington for Beautiful People is where entertainment and politics meet, so who better to talk about this than Entertainment Weekly Senior Reporter Anthony Breznican. On this episode, Anthony and I talk about celebrity involvement in politics and ho...Show More

The One in Which Sex Spas in South Florida Are Finally Mentioned

49:11 | Mar 14th

Lurid and sleazy are everyday descriptions in Trumpworld but the world was nonetheless stunned by revelations of a South Florida madam who founded a chain of spas recently busted for human trafficking and how she has become a Mar-a-Lago insider & GOP...Show More

Less Than Zero: A Look at the President’s Budget…and into His Mind

45:50 | Mar 12th

For a man who’s word means nothing and who never met a lie he didn’t like, it is hard to imagine how Donald Trump could produce something even more meaningless than the stream-of-consciousness Twitterized nonsense he offers up daily.  But there is on...Show More

Amb. Tim Roemer: Is Our Most Neglected Big Power Relationship with India? And What's Ahead for Democrats in 2020?

38:28 | Mar 11th

America and India are entering a rough patch in the relationship between the world’s two biggest democracies.  Trade issues are at the center of the current trouble but the problems go deeper.  And of course, we have seen disturbing tension between I...Show More

The Podcast that Almost Drove America's Sweetheart To Drink: A Conversation with Valerie Bertinelli

52:35 | Mar 8th

It's not often that America's Sweetheart exclaims "this conversation is going to drive me to drink." That's the sign of a fiery conversation about Trump, politics and giving back. Valerie Bertinelli has graced our tv screens as an actress and as a fo...Show More

Time for a Time Out from the Saudis?

44:40 | Mar 7th

Jared Kushner is in charge of the US relations with the Saudis (among others). How's that working for us? Is he the one giving the Saudis the thumbs up that they can abuse human rights to their hearts content without any consequences if they only acc...Show More

Lessons of Hanoi

40:49 | Mar 5th

David Sanger was in Hanoi for the failed negotiations between Donald Trump and Kim Jong Un. He recommends the food, the US approaches to the negotiation not so much. Apparently, leaving it to two megalomaniacal leaders who think they have the skill t...Show More

Amb. Michael McFaul: The View from a Point In US-Russia Relations No One Could Have Envisioned

38:17 | Mar 4th

Five years ago, the Russian invasion of Eastern Ukraine began. That was followed by the annexation of Crimea, US and European sanctions and, soon after, by stepped Russian efforts to undermine the leaders and parties in the West that were opposing hi...Show More

How I Met The Creator Of How I Met Your Mother: A Conversation with the very funny Craig Thomas

47:28 | Mar 1st

Craig's college fallback plan was to become a tv writer and when you're as talented and funny as he is, a TV writer is a great fallback plan. Signing with an agent while a senior in college (overachiever) he and his writing partner Carter Bays quickl...Show More

Please Stop the News! It's Too Much!

39:59 | Feb 28th

Depending on your view of history and human life, the Michael Cohen circus on television this Wednesday was the third or fourth most important story of the day (that we know of). Certainly, a shooting war between two nuclear powers like India and Pak...Show More

Are We On the Verge of Trump’s First Big Foreign Policy Win?

43:54 | Feb 26th

Sometimes the experts at Deep State Radio harbor a slight but noticeable skepticism about the foreign policy acumen of Donald Trump and the band of ignorant thugs around him. But in this episode, nuclear experts Joe Cirincione and Jeffrey Lewis and D...Show More

Stephen Walt on Why Less is More in the Middle East and Where Donald Trump Has (Accidentally) Gotten It Right

40:23 | Feb 23rd

Once upon a time Stephen Walt and John Mearsheimer wrote a blockbuster book called "The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy." Deep State Radio Host David Rothkopf slammed it. But if you are tuning in to hear the two of them go at each other, you'll be...Show More

That Time My Friend Turned Out To Be A Russian Spy: A Conversation with Elena Nico

56:49 | Feb 22nd

Everyone has a story to tell and Elena Nicolaou has a helluva one. For years Elena and her family were close friends with Paul Erickson and his girlfriend Maria Butina...yes that Maria Butina. (The "alleged" Russian spy.) Elena details the relationsh...Show More

What’s Worse Than America Failing Its Allies?

43:28 | Feb 21st

Donald Trump’s America has so alienated our traditional allies that when Mike Pence and Ivanka Trump went to the Munich Security Conference this past week, they were humiliated on more than one occasion by a clearly hostile crowd.  But our problem is...Show More

Traitors in Plain Sight

44:37 | Feb 20th

In America today we face the shocking reality that there are traitors at the highest level of our government selling out our country.  What makes this more shocking is that depending on which party you are in, you see a different group of traitors.  ...Show More

Are We Ready for the Future of War?: A Conversation with General (Ret.) Charles Jacoby

40:14 | Feb 19th

In his 37 year career in the U.S. Army, General Charles Jacoby rose to become the commanding general of U.S. Northcom and the North American Aerospace Defense Command and a leading thinker of some of the most pressing issues the U.S. military faces. ...Show More

Twitter's Dynamic Duo: My funny, profanity laced, insightful conversation with Rick Wilson and Molly Jong-Fast

44:46 | Feb 15th

They're twitter's dynamic duo: he's the peanut butter to her jelly, the Mickey to her Minnie, the Batman get the point. These two guests are hilarious and when you bring them together on this podcast, THEY ARE FIRE. You'd think that leading ...Show More

What Do Virginia's Confederate Monuments Have to do with Foreign Policy?

44:53 | Feb 14th

Virginia's leadership mess obscures deeper problems within the state...and the country. How do our flaws--from racism to anti-semitism to our corrupt current leadership--impact America's standing and create opportunities for our enemies? Join Rosa Br...Show More

What if We Were President?

45:51 | Feb 12th

What if Rosa Brooks was president? What if Kori Schake were? What about Evelyn Farkas? We live in an era of strong women candidates...what about strong women from the Deep State? Tune in and you will discover that's the answer to all our problems...i...Show More

Just Because Trumpworld is Batshit Crazy Doesn't Mean You Should Lose Sight of the Big Picture

41:54 | Feb 11th

In an in-depth conversation with former National Security Advisor to Vice President Joe Biden Colin Kahl, now of Stanford University, we discuss the unsettling reality of Trump Administration foreign policy for American interests and for those of our...Show More

The Best American Conspiracy: A Conversation with Brad Meltzer

51:21 | Feb 8th

What if I told you I know this guy who counts U.S. Presidents as fans, has been on the New York Times Bestseller list (many times) & created a tv show that featured a little known actor named Bradley Cooper. You'd say this sounds like a character fro...Show More

Why Is Adam Schiff Making the President So Nervous?

22:14 | Feb 7th

Adam Schiff, Chairman of the House Select Committee on Intelligence, is a soft-spoken, thoughtful man who does not at first glance seem to be the kind of person who might put a fright into the most powerful man in the world. But Schiff's announcement...Show More

Rep. Ted Lieu: We are at the Beginning of a New Era in Congressional Foreign Affairs Oversight

39:26 | Jan 29th

Congressman Ted Lieu of California, is one of the smartest, hardest working members of the U.S. Congress. A member of the Democratic Leadership, Lieu, brings an undergraduate degree in computer science from Stanford, a magna cum laude law degree from...Show More

Tales in Wagging the Dog: I'll Trade You Roger Stone for Nicolas Maduro

42:02 | Jan 29th

Roger Stone was very upset the FBI made his dog anxious when they raided his home. He also was unhappy he did not have chance to put on a nice suit before being hauled in court. On the other hand, who cares? He's a big time sleaze and deserves eve...Show More

Shuffle Off To The Deep State: A Funny Snarky Conversation With Asha Rangappa

50:37 | Jan 25th

You may know Asha Rangappa as the witty, brilliant legal & national security analyst that graces your television screens on CNN. But, I know her as my tap dancing, french fry loving snark sister. What makes Asha's voice so important in today's polit...Show More

Will the Government Shutdown Be the High Water Mark for the Rest of the Trump Years?

48:42 | Jan 24th

If the shutdown in Washington drags on and with it animosity between the political parties grows, will the remainder of Trump's first term be marked by gridlock in DC...and a president forced to turn overseas to make his mark? What might that mark b...Show More

John McLaughlin: "Truth Power" & the Shifting Role of the Intelligence Community in the Age of Trump

37:56 | Jan 23rd

For more than 30 years, John McLaughlin has been one of the most thoughtful and trusted minds in the U.S. Intelligence Community rising to be Acting Director of Central Intelligence and Deputy Director of Central Intelligence. He sees no precedent f...Show More

The Racist-in-Chief Marks Another Martin Luther King Day

50:00 | Jan 22nd

Donald Trump has the figure and muscle tone of a baby whale but he moved through the MLK Memorial in Washington on Monday like Usain Bolt. Traveling with the equally intolerant and odious Mike Pence, the U.S. president was in and out of the memorial...Show More

Hostage Musicals, Rap Names and Twitter Trolls: A Conversation with Warren Leight

48:29 | Jan 18th

After 300 rejection letters from local newspapers around the country, Warren Leight decided it was time to ditch his journalistic pursuits, and we're lucky he did. Warren has always had his thumb on America's political pulse merging the most topical ...Show More

Roomba for President 2020

41:35 | Jan 17th

Trump may be a disaster as a person and as a president. But he may also be triggering a rebirth in American political thought and a flowering of new policy ideas. The progressive branch of the Democratic Party is in the lead at the moment, but with...Show More

Well, If It Isn't a Brand New Bouncing Baby Constitutional Crisis!

44:32 | Jan 15th

We're finally getting there folks. It is not the government shutdown. It is not the hyper-politicization of everything. But thanks to Donald Trump and recent revelations about the Russia probe, we may be getting to a point where even persnickety l...Show More

Gen. Mark Hertling: The Nation May Need a Trump Every Once in a While...But for How Long?

48:05 | Jan 14th

General Mark Hertling served for 37 years in the U.S. military, rising to become Commanding General of the U.S. Army Europe. Since his retirement, he has become well-known as a commentator on television and on social media. He discusses what went w...Show More

The Time Hillary Clinton Fired You & You Keep Showing Up: A Candid Conversation w/ Philippe Reines.

43:50 | Jan 11th

Hillary Clinton's senior advisor Philippe Reines has had a unique career path, to say the least. He never imagined that his job would circle him around the globe as HRC's right hand man or that he would be called on to go "method" and role play as Tr...Show More

2019: The Year in Review, Part II--"The Worst Year of Donald Trump's Life"

47:26 | Jan 10th

In this, our second year in review episode for the year ahead we look at US domestic developments in the next 12 months. The bad news is--they're pretty bleak. The good news is--we tell them to you in advance so you can sleep through the whole year...Show More

2019: The Year in Review, Part I--"War: What is it Good For?"

50:24 | Jan 8th

As we have learned, these days years seem much longer than they used to. So, as a special service to Deep State nation, your favorite podsters are providing you with all of 2019 in two compact 45 minute episodes. The first looks at what is going to...Show More

The Best of Deep State Radio: 1 on 1’s

1:07:25 | Jan 4th

We’re on holiday break this week, but we wanted to be sure you got your Deep State Radio fix. Welcome to the Best of Deep State Radio. In this edition, we’ve stitched together our favorite 1 on 1's episodes. Enjoy!

The Best of Deep State Radio: Emergency Episodes

2:48:32 | Jan 3rd

Happy Holidays from Deep State Radio! We’re on holiday break this week, but we wanted to be sure you got your Deep State Radio fix. Welcome to the Best of Deep State Radio. In this edition, we’ve stitched together our Emergency Episodes! Happy listen...Show More

The Best of Deep State Radio: Kavanaugh

1:17:17 | Dec 27th, 2018

Happy Holidays from Deep State Radio! We’re on holiday break this week, but we wanted to be sure you got your Deep State Radio fix. Welcome to the Best of Deep State Radio. In this edition, we’ve stitched together our episodes of the Kavanaugh Hearin...Show More

The Best of Deep State Radio: The Milestone Episode Part 2

1:46:55 | Dec 26th, 2018

Happy Holidays from Deep State Radio! We’re on holiday break this week, but we wanted to be sure you got your Deep State Radio fix. Welcome to the Best of Deep State Radio. In this edition, we’ve stitched together our milestone episodes including...Show More

The Best of Deep State Radio: The Milestone Episode Part 1

1:31:31 | Dec 26th, 2018

Happy Holidays from Deep State Radio! We’re on holiday break this week, but we wanted to be sure you got your Deep State Radio fix. Welcome to the Best of Deep State Radio. In this edition, we’ve stitched together our milestone episodes including...Show More

It Started With A Bang: A Conversation with Bill Prady, EVP & Co-Creator Big Bang Theory

1:01:56 | Dec 21st, 2018

Not everyone can claim Kermit the Frog, Miss. Piggy and Fozzie Bear as their friends. Not everyone can say they created the most successful sitcom on television. And certainly, not everyone can say they were awarded the Anti- Defamation League Enter...Show More

A Deep State Xmas, Part II: Jewels from the Tiara of Optimism

42:14 | Dec 20th, 2018

What made the Tiara of Optimism sparkle in 2018? And who? We pick the positive stories of the past year and the people for whom we are the most grateful so that you can enjoy your holidays in the right spirit of optimism. (Which is the only way yo...Show More

"A Cloud Hanging Over Our Country": 1 on 1 with Gen. James Clapper

40:43 | Dec 19th, 2018

The latest edition of Deep State Radio's National Security Magazine offers up an in-depth interview with one of the most distinguished leaders the U.S. intelligence community has produced, General James Clapper. Culminating his 54 year career in the...Show More

A Deep State Xmas: Thorns from the Crown of Entropy

45:43 | Dec 18th, 2018

Santa is not the only one who knows whether you have been naughty or nice. The rest of the Deep State knows too. And by the rest of the Deep State, we mean...yes, Santa is one of us. Of course. On this episode, using our intelligence assets on th...Show More

Don't Cryer for Me Argentina: A Conversation with Jon Cryer

49:44 | Dec 14th, 2018

What does Trump, podcasts and Patti Lupone have in common: Jon Cryer. On Washington for Beautiful People Jon and Emily discuss Trump, twitter trolls, podcasting and (wait for it) Patti Lupone. While most people know Jon Cryer as Duckie from "Pretty i...Show More

Is a Chasm Opening Up with the Gulf? (Obama Nostalgia May Soon Occur in the Unlikeliest of Places)

51:54 | Dec 13th, 2018

The U.S. Senate, not recently known for its courage or willingness to stand up to President Donald Trump, sent the entire Trump Administration an acid rebuke on Thursday when it voted to stop funding for U.S. support of the War in Yemen and passed a ...Show More

The Most Dangerous Moment in Half a Century: A Conversation with David Sanger

36:03 | Dec 12th, 2018

David Sanger of the New York Times discusses how the Trump Administration's decision to pull out of the INF Treaty because of Russian non-compliance may be just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the unwinding of the foundational nuclear agreeme...Show More

Our Idiots Are More Idiotic Than Your Idiots

47:28 | Dec 11th, 2018

The Economist named former Foreign Secretary and famed unmade bed Boris Johnson as its idiot of the year. Ed Luce of the Financial Times, joins our discussion to explain why. Then Evelyn Farkas of the German Marshall Fund and Rosa Brooks of Georget...Show More

She's Fierce, She's Funny and She Put Words in Obama's Mouth: A Conversation with Nell Scovell

39:18 | Dec 7th, 2018

When TV Writer Nell Scovell wrote her now famous tell all expose in Vanity Fair about the behind the scenes exploits at Late Night with David Letterman, some thought it would ruin her career. But, the essay--a critical moment on the path to our "Me T...Show More

What Does the Life of George H.W. Bush Tell Us About Our Current Moment?

47:22 | Dec 6th, 2018

We can debate the policy and personal successes and failures of George H.W. Bush but there is no question that his example stands in stark contrast to that of America's current president and many in the generation of political leaders around him. Th...Show More

U.S. Foreign Policy in the Post Trump Era: A Conversation with Jake Sullivan

46:28 | Dec 5th, 2018

Relax. Keep your champagne on ice. Donald Trump is still president of the United States. And his foreign policy--which is a crudely mixed cocktail of racism and greed with a twist of incompetence--is still what America is serving up to the world. ...Show More

Don't You Wish Tony Soprano Were President?

43:31 | Dec 4th, 2018

Tony liked ducks. He was introspective enough to enter therapy. He loved his family. He had a code of ethics. He even drank every so often. He had a soul. He was likable. In short, he was everything our president is not. But would you really ...Show More

Special Premiere Episode: After Working for Comey and Mueller, He Realized He Couldn't Work for Trum

48:57 | Nov 30th, 2018

When Josh Campbell joined the FBI, he was told one thing: FBI doesn’t lie. Josh worked for Comey, he worked for Mueller and learned that integrity is the backbone of the Bureau. So when faced with a President who couldn’t find “truth” with a map, Wa...Show More

Special Exclusive: The Word is 'Betrayal': A Conversation with Rep. Eric Swalwell

27:05 | Nov 29th, 2018

Responding to the reports of Michael Cohen's Trump Tower Moscow lies and guilty plea, the rising star Congressman from California, Rep. Eric Swalwell, reveals where the new Congress is likely to take investigations into Trump's business ties and thei...Show More

National Security Magazine Episode 1

40:39 | Nov 29th, 2018

New from the Deep State Radio Network, National Security Magazine will be a regular podcast series featuring long-form interviews with important national security newsmakers. In this week's episode we feature a conversation with Wendy Sherman, the f...Show More

Everything is Easier When You're Stupid

48:26 | Nov 29th, 2018

When Donald Trump was presented with the overwhelming evidence of Russian interference in the US elections (of which he was Exhibit A) he said, "I don't believe it." When presented with proof of the Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman's role in o...Show More

What's Next for the Axis of Assholes?

50:57 | Nov 27th, 2018

Trump has forged an indelible bond not with our allies nor with the American people (a majority of whom can't stand him) but with a group of really bad men worldwide who are not just evil, they're creeps. Vlad. Bibi. Duterte. And of course, now t...Show More

A Deep State Thanksgiving, Part Deux: Who and What We are Thankful For

39:11 | Nov 22nd, 2018

It's Thanksgiving weekend in the USA. It's a warm, friendly, family holiday provided that a.) your family does not discuss politics, b.) your unhinged uncle does not drink too much and c.) the indoor deep-fryer does not burn the whole house down. M...Show More

A Deep State Thanksgiving, Part I: Turkeys of the Year

48:14 | Nov 20th, 2018

Who needs relatives? Join your Deep State family for a cheerful holiday discussion of the Turkeys of the Year, the losers, jerks, criminals, and large orange embarrassments that made the past year as unappetizing as an under-cooked Butterball. Our ...Show More

Who Will Be Prosecuted for the War Crimes in Yemen?

47:58 | Nov 15th, 2018

Yemen has become a humanitarian catastrophe on a scale of few others in the recent history of the planet. 14 million people live on the verge of famine. Tens of thousands are dead. And despite gestures in the direction of bringing the conflict to ...Show More

Trump's Hair May Be Dry But the World Is Going to Hell in a Handbasket

42:04 | Nov 13th, 2018

Trump's Europe trip was a rare multi-tiered fiasco, a kind of mille feuille of fiascos, at which the disasters operated on many levels--his alienation of our allies, his insults to our troops, his vanity, his cozying up to villains, his fear of getti...Show More

Special Emergency Episode: From Sessions to Whitaker, How Low Can Trump Go?

27:31 | Nov 9th, 2018

There are constitutional reasons why Mathew Whitaker should not succeed Jeff Sessions as even the Acting Attorney General of the US. There are legal reasons. There are ethical reasons. But none of these stopped Donald Trump from beginning the late...Show More

1-on-1 with Jonathan Greenblatt of the ADL: Hate in America and Where We Go From Here

21:33 | Nov 9th, 2018

It is one week after the shootings in Pittsburgh and 80 years after Kristallnacht. How deep do the rivers of hate in America today run? How much culpability do our political leaders have for channeling that hate into our daily discourse? Who is pu...Show More

Could It Be the Election's Two Biggest Losers were Donald Trump and...Robert Mueller?

37:20 | Nov 8th, 2018

Donald Trump said the mid-terms were a huge success (they weren't), that he did better than other presidents during their first mid-term elections (he didn't), that he had the touch of gold and only those who ran away from him suffered (not true). O...Show More

Finally, the Big Day Is Upon Us...the Official Beginning of the 2020 Campaign is Just Hours Away!

44:44 | Nov 5th, 2018

Americans will finally get to express themselves at the ballot box after two years of division, turmoil, lies and lurid headlines. Election Day is here. Our Rosa Brooks, Kori Schake and Ed Luce get together to help you all prepare for the election....Show More

Trump Two Years After His Election: Who Gets the Lower Grade, the President or the People?

33:07 | Nov 1st, 2018

With the midterm elections days away, our experts discuss just what the past two years have taught us about Trump, about the American electorate, and about the world. We also talk about where we are headed and what we can expect from the next two ye...Show More

What if the Problem Isn't that We're Leaderless But That They Are Leading Us in the Wrong Direction?

38:09 | Oct 30th, 2018

Brazil elects a hard-right candidate who is a threat to democracy. The BRICs are no longer the harbingers of progress we thought them to be. Angela Merkel, who has stepped up in the Era of Trump to be the Leader of the Free World. And Donald Trump...Show More

If Every Teacher Had a Portable Nuclear Weapon There Would Be No More School Shootings

44:32 | Oct 25th, 2018

The Kashoggi murder has rocked the Middle East. The underlying crime was so horrific, its cover-up has been so pathetic and unpersuasive, and the position of the US administration has only compounded the outrage. The question is: Will this change a...Show More

The Hell of Good Intentions...and the Pleasures of Dubious Ones...

41:18 | Oct 22nd, 2018

Harvard's Stephen Walt has written a timely book called "The Hell of Good Intentions: America's Foreign Policy Elite and the Decline of U.S. Primacy"...which is just exactly the kind of subject you would expect Rosa Brooks, Kori Schake, and Ed Luce t...Show More

1-on-1 with Ivo Daalder: A Discussion of the New Book "The Empty Throne"

23:10 | Oct 18th, 2018

Ivo Daalder and James Lindsay, two of America's leading foreign policy experts have written an in-depth analysis of Donald Trump's tenure to date as president. It is a withering critique, but more importantly it assesses not just how Trump's policy ...Show More

What Foreign Policy Shifts May Follow a Dem Victory in November?

41:32 | Oct 18th, 2018

While the Trump Administration may get much Trumpier with the personnel changes expected after Election Day, a Democratic victory on November 6th that brought them control of the House of Representatives is likely to create a check on Trump's impulse...Show More

Fascist, Incompetent or Both: Assessing Trumpism Today

48:17 | Oct 16th, 2018

In the Financial Times our own Ed Luce discusses how Trump's attacks on the truth and his enemies have moved us toward fascism and where he has fallen short of achieving key steps on the road toward that brand of authoritarianism. Our panel includin...Show More

Values, I’ll Show You Values…How Much Will Pay Me to Set Aside My Values?

48:32 | Oct 11th, 2018

Values matter. Well, at least the appearance of having values matter. Well, at least they always did until Donald Trump came along. Now, around the world foreign leaders know that the US is in it for whatever Donald Trump thinks is best for Donald...Show More

The Invasion of the Blob People

43:51 | Oct 9th, 2018

How much are foreign policy elites responsible for the rise of nationalist, anti-globalist views worldwide? How much is the retreat of American leadership responsible for the willingness of dictators and authoritarians worldwide to be their worst sel...Show More

Second Verse Same As the First

47:38 | Oct 4th, 2018

Most of Deep State Radio’s cutting edge, youthful listeners are probably too young to remember the song the title references (“Mrs. Brown You Had a Lovely Daughter” by Herman’s Hermits). But so were all of us at Deep State Radio. We’re just very we...Show More

Kavanaugh is Not Just a Nominee, He’s a Symptom

45:31 | Oct 2nd, 2018

The political furor around the nomination of Brett Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court may seem like pure domestic US politics, but the implications for America’s role in the world are serious. Not only does the chaos in the US symptom send a disconcerti...Show More


21:55 | Sep 27th, 2018

Spent your day listening to the Kavanaugh hearings? We did too. And we wanted to offer up some real time insights and perspectives on what was a dramatic and historic day. We do this in the form of one of our new series of "Briefs and Debriefs", t...Show More

Asshole Culture: The Discussion

41:59 | Sep 27th, 2018

There are assholes everywhere you look these days, especially in positions of power. The result is high assholery in our policies and our political debates which, frankly, is not only not good for us but it’s kind of hard to take. When do we finall...Show More

Enough About My Solipsism, What Do You Think of My Solipsism?

37:30 | Sep 25th, 2018

We have the most solipsistic president in American history offering up the most solipsistic foreign policy ever at a time when the me-me-me generation are busy taking selfies and other pols the planet over are trying to play that self-centeredness to...Show More

The Thing Most Foreign to US Foreign Policy is Anything Resembling a Policy

46:42 | Sep 20th, 2018

With a couple of recent good articles in The Atlantic, leading thinkers like Peter Beinart and Thomas Wright have begun to ask the critical question: "What's next for US foreign policy?" Our experts Ed Luce of the Financial Times, David Sanger of th...Show More

What Cocktail Goes Best with Armageddon?

43:37 | Sep 18th, 2018

It's that time of day. The sun is setting. You're a little parched. Maybe more than a little due to the fireball on the horizon. What's just the right cocktail for the moment? On this episode of Deep State Radio we speak with nuclear weapons spe...Show More

Know-Nothings, Do-Nothings, Mugwumps and Nerds, Oh My!

45:27 | Sep 13th, 2018

The release of Bob Woodward's book "Fear" and the recent anonymous oped in the New York Times claiming to be by a senior official who is mounting the resistance to Trump from within the administration raise important questions about what is the best ...Show More

Is That Thing Under John Bolton's Nose a Bugbear?

41:53 | Sep 11th, 2018

Brick by brick the Trump team is not building a wall, it's dismantling the international order. The latest move--an attack on the International Criminal Court by National Security Advisor John Bolton. Should you care? Isn't this just an inside bas...Show More

"Forget it,'s Crazytown" (Super Hair-on-Fire Emergency Episode)

36:18 | Sep 6th, 2018

Every report out of the Trump White House tells the same story. Whether it's the anonymous op-ed from a "senior Trump Administration official" in the New York Times or Bob Woodward's book "Fear" or the Omarosa book or the Wolff book or countless new...Show More

Crazytown Diaries, Part II: The Chaos at Home Begets Chaos Abroad

40:04 | Sep 6th, 2018

The White House is a shambles. The president is an object of ridicule among his closest aides. The Congress is looking the other way seeming to want to rush a Supreme Court nominee into office before the President is himself hustled before a judge. ...Show More

Crazytown: From a Nation of Laws to One of Pathologies

49:02 | Sep 4th, 2018

In a brilliant bit of turnabout, John McCain's last act was to use his own funeral to bury Donald Trump. By excluding him from the ceremonies and featuring leaders of both parties extolling values and virtues alien to Trump, McCain made an eloquent ...Show More

The Art of the Un-Deal

36:41 | Aug 30th, 2018

Donald Trump's track record as an international deal-maker is perfect. He still has not made one major deal of any sort anywhere with anyone (except maybe with a nice gentleman in Moscow, but we'll leave that be for now.). He has undone a bunch of d...Show More

Trump Message to NFL Players He Says are Disrespecting the Flag, “Hold My Beer.”

37:18 | Aug 28th, 2018

Donald Trump has wrapped himself so tightly in the flag he could be America’s first July 4th mummy but while his true colors may be red white and blue it increasingly appears they may look more like the Russian flag than Old Glory. First, he showed ...Show More

Our Biggest Intelligence Problem is the President's Intelligence

47:40 | Aug 23rd, 2018

While the intelligence and law enforcement communities reel from the president's attacks, Donald Trump has sent further signals that he expects personal loyalty above loyalty to the nation from all of his team across the whole of government. He has ...Show More

Special Episode: Trumpocalypse Now

58:27 | Aug 23rd, 2018

This week in important Steven Tyler news, the Aerosmith front man demanded that Donald Trump stop playing his band's song "Livin' on the Edge" at their rallies. And he makes a good point. Trump is past that point and may want to consider more appro...Show More

It Was a Big Week for Authoritarianism in America

48:13 | Aug 21st, 2018

As reports have come in of Russia escalating its attacks on American democracy, our President has hopped into action escalating his war against the people who are protecting us from the Russians. Trump has begun a campaign of stripping security clea...Show More

If We Could Spend All the Money in the World on Defense Would We?

44:03 | Aug 16th, 2018

With great fanfare Donald Trump did the presidential equivalent of stuffing a pair of athletic socks down his pants and announced the new defense spending bill. It was, as might be expected, yuge. Once again we will outspend China by four or five t...Show More

The Highly Classified Reasons Too Many Things are Highly Classified

48:02 | Aug 14th, 2018

Nothing is more core to the life of the Deep State than marking documents classified. After all, if just anyone could read them, who'd want to? On the other hand, if documents are classified, they can't be shared which is a bit of a problem in the ...Show More

Which Books You Should Own & Never Read, Which You Should Read & Which to Skip Altogether

52:18 | Aug 9th, 2018

Summer Reading Edition: On this special episode of a podcast so special it doesn't need special episodes but can't help doing them anyway, we delve into the world of books. Georgetown's Rosa Brooks, IISS' Kori Schake and the Financial Times Ed Luce ...Show More

Ed Luce Defends Cricket...and Trump Admits Treason: What a Summer!

51:22 | Aug 7th, 2018

Did you know that Ed Luce was once on a cricket team that Imran Khan occasionally would coach during breaks in his high profile high society dating life? That Rosa Brooks briefly played on a cricket team at Oxford? That Kori went to a cricket match...Show More

Attack of the Killer Zucchinis

41:32 | Aug 2nd, 2018

In which we start with cricket get to Imram Khan, discuss how hunky he was as a young cricketer and how his populism and the nukes he now controls may make him somewhat less attractive. Then on to the expanding realm of hybrid warfare, what it means...Show More

What Would Scipio Africanus Think?

47:44 | Jul 31st, 2018

In the latest Deep State Radio our friends Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University, Kori Schake of IISS and Evelyn Farkas of the Atlantic Council offer secrets into how they remain so well-informed. It all turns on fiction, apparently and those who rem...Show More

But Her Emails...

45:54 | Jul 26th, 2018

If only someone had told us that Trump has distrusted alliances and the international order his whole life, that he was close to Russia and Russians, that he was unhinged and wholly unqualified for the presidency! If only we had known! Maybe then w...Show More

Beware the Man with a Cheeseburger in the Pocket of HIs Bathrobe

45:56 | Jul 24th, 2018

A lonely old man wandering the White House late at night in his bathrobe, perhaps with a half-eaten McDonald's cheeseburger in his pocket gets angry at the angry that he hits the ALL CAPS button on his cellphone and starts to Tweet out thr...Show More

What are We Going to Tell Our Grandchildren?

53:44 | Jul 19th, 2018

As Richard Nixon might have said, "What are we going to do when we don't have Western Civilization to kick around any more?" Things happen fast in this bad old world and a few years is a enough time for the wheels to come flying off the damn cart. ...Show More

Putting the Hell Back in Helsinki

55:31 | Jul 16th, 2018

Donald Trump completed the most unsuccessful foreign trip of any president since Theodore Roosevelt, who took the first foreign trip, with a disastrous summit for the ages. Critics on the right and left called it an embarrassment, a disaster, or wor...Show More

NATO, SCHMATO...Bring on Vlad!

53:01 | Jul 12th, 2018

If, as Sarah Huckabee Sanders alleged, it was a lousy breakfast that had White House Chief of Staff squirm while President Donald Trump kicked off the NATO Summit with an attack on Germany, then someone needs to get a Denny's Grand Slam to Rosa Brook...Show More

Giant Inflatable Baby Trumps for Everybody!!

49:37 | Jul 10th, 2018

With America's foreign policy savant, our president leaving the country this week it's easy to understand the fireworks and celebrations last week. Now we get to share him with the rest of the world--including our NATO allies, the keepers of our spe...Show More

Have a Drink. Now Have Another. Now Let's Consider the World After More Years of Trump.

41:23 | Jul 5th, 2018

The GOP could win in November and maintain its hold on both houses of Congress. Which Donald Trump would find encouraging. And might lead him to be even more like...himself. And that might lead his base to re-elect him. And we could have six and ...Show More

Happy 50th Birthday NPT, You Look Like Crap.

48:50 | Jul 2nd, 2018

50 years ago the multilateral agreement that kept us all from blowing ourselves to smithereens was signed. And look, we're not smithereens, so that's good, right? On the other hand...North Korea. And Iran. And a president who wants new nukes that...Show More

Why is Big Brother Smiling?

47:10 | Jun 28th, 2018

At the end of the Cold War, the West triumphantly crowed that it was our open societies and the information revolution that ultimately defeated the USSR. They lost because people deprived of information simply couldn't compete. Now however, as we e...Show More

The Perfect Weapon

49:15 | Jun 26th, 2018

On this special episode of Deep State Radio we get a sneak peak at the latest work of our own David Sanger (who we share with the New York Times and his students at Harvard's Kennedy School). The book, "The Perfect Weapon", is the definitive work on...Show More

If It's Not Treason Then What Is It?

45:53 | Jun 21st, 2018

As Deep State Radio's resident Constitutional scholar (and Associate Dean of Georgetown Law School) Rosa Brooks explains, the legal threshold for designating behavior as treasonous is quite narrow. But as she also points out, it would be up to Congr...Show More

Fascist, Neo-Fascist, or Quasi-Fascist: What's the Polite Way to Refer to America's President?

40:15 | Jun 19th, 2018

Deep State Radio's own Kori Schake wrote an important piece about the current threat to the international order posed by the Trump Administration. In this episode we discuss the article and just exactly how grievous the threat is and how we ought to...Show More


41:47 | Jun 14th, 2018

The president salutes a North Korean general while praising that countries murderous leader. Babies are torn from their mother's breasts by our border police and children are housed in concentration camps. Loyalty lists are being compiled within th...Show More

Is America No Longer the Good Guy?

48:29 | Jun 12th, 2018

The U.S. has done plenty wrong in its history. There are millions around the world that have been victims of flaws in U.S. foreign policy. But since the early part of the 20th Century there has at least been a myth that Americans could cling to tha...Show More

An Idiot, A Russian Spy and a Racist Walk Into a Bar...

47:14 | Jun 7th, 2018

The recent round of primary elections in the US don't seem to show a groundswell of public indignation over the fact that the president of the United States has obstructed justice, is a pathological liar, is profoundly corrupt and is, at the very lea...Show More

Episode 100!!!: Welcome to the Pax Trumpiana--How's That Working for You?

59:26 | Jun 5th, 2018

On this, the historic, 100th episode of Deep State Radio (once called by Bridget Jones "the world's most important podcast") our usual band of troublemakers discuss just how much worse off the world is 100 podcasts later than it was we started. Coul...Show More

How Do You Milk a Cockroach?

40:32 | May 31st, 2018

Yes, this episode is about the rise of China and America's woeful unpreparedness for this epoch making event. But when guest Anna Fifield, Tokyo Bureau Chief of the Washington Post, sees a cockroach crawling through her Tokyo apartment during the br...Show More

On Again, Off Again, On Again!--The Course of Nuke Love Never Did Run Smooth

42:33 | May 29th, 2018

Their courtship will go down in history with those of Romeo & Juliet, Tristan & Isolde, and Goldman and Sachs. Donald Trump and Kim Jong Un have had their spats to be sure...but what's a little pre-nuclear foreplay between true loves. Now, all that...Show More

Why is a Hippo the Emotional Support Animal We All Need

37:02 | May 24th, 2018

The president's wife carries industrial strength disinfecting wipes wherever she goes because her man is a germaphobe. But when it comes to the growing ebola outbreak in Africa, he seems anything but prepared. (Pro tip for POTUS: The wipes won't he...Show More

Unicorns, Rainbows...and Mushroom Clouds: Team Trump's Foreign Policy Wish List

39:24 | May 22nd, 2018

One thing about the tough guys in the Trump Administration, when it comes to foreign policy they sure do have colorful fantasies. Mike Pompeo's wish list for Iran is as far fetched as a fairy-tale but less likely to come to life. In North Korea, th...Show More

Why Does a Tour of the Horizon These Days Feel So Much Like We're Circling a Drain?

49:04 | May 17th, 2018

So much for the Nobel Peace Prize. So much for the celebration in Jerusalem. So much for teaching those Iranians a lesson. So much for witch hunts. So much for so much that our heads are spinning...much like this crazy world we all live on. On t...Show More

Donald Trump Doubles Down on Foreign Policy: What Could Go Wrong?

45:55 | May 15th, 2018

With boatloads of trouble at home and a Congress unlikely to actually do anything between now and the election, Donald Trump needs to come up with some way to distract from the Mueller investigation and his deepening legal woes. Live Tweeting Fox & ...Show More

True Dat: In the Post-Truth World of Trump the Best Liar Seems Like the Most Honest Man

40:32 | May 10th, 2018

The president lies. He lies all the time. He can't help but lie. That's why his lawyers consider any move by Robert Mueller to be a perjury trap for Trump. Because any question Mueller and his team will ask is certain to produce over-heated preva...Show More

If Only We Can Guess the Name, Maybe We Can Break the Spell: Is it...Trumplestiltskin?

42:58 | May 7th, 2018

It's a mad whirl these days with more mad than whirl going on. This week alone offers everything from the Iran deal (the one new NRA president Ollie North did back in the day) to the Iran deal (the one Donald Trump hates). It offers a debate about ...Show More


46:04 | May 3rd, 2018

How are we supposed to concentrate on nuclear weapons dramas in the Middle East and the Koreas, new U.S. special forces deployments, Bibi Netanyahu doing his best Gallagher prop-comedy impression and all the other lunacy going on in the world with al...Show More

There is a Game of 3D Chess Going On--The Question is Can Any World Leaders Actually Play?

54:42 | May 1st, 2018

Move are afoot--everywhere. In the Koreas, North and South are posturing pre-negotiations while back in the U.S. the president is writing his Nobel Prize acceptance speech. In the Middle East, Israel is working with the U.S. (and maybe the Saudis) ...Show More


48:49 | Apr 26th, 2018

Not since Chevy Chase's European Vacation has an American brought so much mayhem to U.S. Trans-Atlantic Relations. Perhaps new Secretary of State Mike Pompeo can start to make amends on his first trip as America's chief diplomat. But if the recent ...Show More

He's a Nixer, Not a Fixer

51:11 | Apr 24th, 2018

With John Bolton loose in the West Wing, what will happen to US foreign policy? Deep State Radio's Rosa Brooks hosts in David Rothkopf's absence, joined by regulars Kori Schake of the International Institute for Strategic Studies and Ed Luce from the...Show More

The "Stormy" Kim Illusion

46:41 | Apr 19th, 2018

When Donald Trump thinks about Kim Jong Un he sees Stormy Daniels. At least he sees what he saw that night long ago with Ms. Daniels, which is something that he wanted very very much, that he needed to the exclusion of everything else. He yearns fo...Show More

Trump's Got 99 Problems But Too Much Respect for the Law Ain't One of Them...

49:54 | Apr 17th, 2018

The Syria strike was likely highly ineffective due to the fact that it was limited in impact, came without a long-term strategy or much likelihood of follow-up actions to end the use of chemical weapons or the wholesale slaughter of Syrians. But wai...Show More

A Foolish Consistency is the Hobgoblin of Small Hands

47:01 | Apr 13th, 2018

Every day in Trumpassic Era seems like a million years in geological time. Sex scandals, echoes of old pee tapes, pending missile strikes in search of a strategy, waves of national security experts leaving the White House, the president calling the ...Show More

The Steering Wheel Doesn’t Connect to the Engine

52:02 | Apr 10th, 2018

John Bolton’s first day as National Security Advisor presents him with the kind of opportunities he has waited his entire life for—a choice between worsening relations and possible military action against Syria, Iran and North Korea. Where will he s...Show More

The World After Trump

41:47 | Apr 5th, 2018

The day after Trump leaves office some things will change immediately (like a terrible management style or diplomacy via Twitter or bad relations with Mexico) and some things will take years to fix (like the institutions we have broken or repairing o...Show More

Vladimir Putin, You Win a Brand New Car!

44:40 | Apr 3rd, 2018

Perhaps its his fear of an impending Oprah candidacy but Donald Trump seems to be embracing her tactic of great generosity to her audience. In his case, it is of course, the audience of one he covets most...the one in the Kremlin. And so in this we...Show More

The Acela of Evil: The Train to Denuclearization of the Koreas Runs Through Beijing, Apparently

54:21 | Mar 29th, 2018

It looks like the Trump-Kim Summit is a thing. A real thing. That’ll likely happen this Spring. At least, all indicators were pointing in that direction following Kim Jong Un’s stealthy train trip from Pyongyang to Beijing this past week and the f...Show More

Special Emergency DSR: John Bolton Becomes National Security Advisor

55:20 | Mar 25th, 2018

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! David Sanger of the New York Times, Rosa Brooks of Georget...Show More

Why Vladimir Putin is the Hottest Politician in the World Right Now

38:17 | Mar 22nd, 2018

He doesn't love democracy. He is aging. He, frankly, doesn't run with a very nice crowd. Oh, and there are all those invasions and murders and all that spying and so on. But Vladimir Putin has now won four elections to be Russia's president...and...Show More

What's Worse Than a Constitutional Crisis?

52:01 | Mar 20th, 2018

A recent article in the Atlantic echoed a discussion we had not too long on Deep State Radio about whether or not we are in a "constitutional crisis." The conclusion was we face "rot" not a crisis right now. But is that worse than a crisis because ...Show More

Does Objective Truth Still Exist...and if it Does Can the G.O.P Survive?

42:56 | Mar 15th, 2018

With so much focus on scandal, corruption, nuclear war, racism, isolationism, protectionism, and nationalism in the era of Trump, we sometimes lose site of the little things. Like the future. Or the urgent problems we have to solve. Or the truth. ...Show More

Special Emergency Edition: Rex Was a Craptastic Secretary of State & We'll Miss Him

58:42 | Mar 14th, 2018

Every feel like you're living inside a washing machine in the middle of the spin cycle? We hope it's not because you have a Tide pod in your mouth. Instead, if you're like the typical Deep State Radio listener its because you have a fairly acute ad...Show More

In Improv (and Nuclear Negotiations), the Secret is to Always Say "Yes"

48:39 | Mar 13th, 2018

It's an old rule of improv comedy that you have to play along with the premise you are presented with. It's a rule apparently that the old show biz wannabe who is currently president of the United States took to heart last week when he jumped on Nor...Show More

That'll Be Spaghetti Putin-esca From Now On...

41:41 | Mar 8th, 2018

Russia scored its biggest recent victory in its on-going war against western democracies with the victories of the right wing in the recent Italian election. It ranks right behind the Trump victory and the Brexit vote. But the reality is some of wh...Show More

An Embarrassment of Embarrassments

39:07 | Mar 6th, 2018

What's more screwed up in the White House--personnel or policy? There's virtually no senior advisor to the President who hasn't left or been rumored to be on their way out. (With the exception of Trump's Igor, Stephen Miller, who will be flattering...Show More

The Road Not Taken

37:22 | Mar 1st, 2018

Max Boot's great new book "The Road Not Taken" about American intelligence officer Edward Lansdale not only offers great insights into an intriguing character and a pivotal moment in American and modern world history, it is searingly relevant to toda...Show More

This Country Was Built on Laundered Money

42:33 | Feb 27th, 2018

It is impossible to prove that Trump role model Tony Montana was actually speaking about former Trump Campaign Chairman Paul Manafort when he said, "this country was built on laundered money" but he might as well have been. And it may be that the mo...Show More

A Crisis of Character

44:41 | Feb 22nd, 2018

America's problems extend far beyond Russiagate. In fact, they extend far beyond porn stars and having half the cabinet under investigation, failures in Puerto Rico and near nuclear war with North Korea. They include unprecedented levels of overt c...Show More

You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet!

42:00 | Feb 20th, 2018

The Mueller indictment charging 13 Russians for their efforts to illegally influence America's 2016 presidential election rocked Washington and sent shockwaves worldwide. The President of the U.S. tried to frame it as vindication because it did not p...Show More

Olympic Update: What’s More Boring—Curling or Mike Pence?

46:15 | Feb 15th, 2018

America has an unrealistic Korea policy (denuclearization) that it is not really pursuing that hard (what with not having an ambassador to South Korea, gutting the State Department and leaving it to Mike Pence who is actually not a human being but a ...Show More

No Kittens Were Harmed In the Making of this Episode

48:22 | Feb 13th, 2018

We’ve had nuclear weapons for more than 70 years. But we have never had a president quite as deranged as Donald Trump before and the result has made more people pay much closer attention to U.S. nuclear weapons policy than they did in recent years. ...Show More

Olympic Torches are Fine As Long as You Keep Them Away from Fuses

41:26 | Feb 8th, 2018

The Olympics in Korea have prompted a temporary thaw in North-South relations on the Korean peninsula and plenty of political theater including some from the mummified human remains known to the world as U.S. Vice President Mike Pence. Join our expe...Show More

Devin Nunes is the Head of an Intelligence Committee. Isn't That Something?

42:01 | Feb 6th, 2018

There's intelligence and then there's basic common sense. Much of the discussion about the recent memo the House released has been lacking in both. Fortunately, however, our experts at Deep State Radio, Georgetown University's Rosa Brooks, IISS' Ko...Show More

And the Winner of Deep State Radio’s Dunce Cap of Ignominy is…

44:28 | Feb 1st, 2018

There were so many candidates. And Ed Luce of the Financial Times, Kori Schake of IISS and Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University are keenly aware of some of the biggest dopes on the international stage. But in this first ever awarding of this presti...Show More

The Doomsday Clock has Been Moved to 2 Minutes Closer to Trumpocalypse

46:14 | Jan 30th, 2018

Calm down. We don’t mean “Trumpocalypse” as in the end of the world. We mean it in the sense of the end of the Trump presidency. Who knows, with some luck this could be Trump’s last State of the Union. And that would be good on so many levels. ...Show More

Armageddon One of Those Silos Just As Soon As I Can

42:17 | Jan 25th, 2018

Contrary to what those outside the Deep State may think, the U.S. government has recently undergone an explosion of creativity. Recently we have seen a National Security Strategy, a National Defense Strategy and a Nuclear Posture Review. Some think...Show More

The End of America, The Gaggingly Hubristic?

50:28 | Jan 23rd, 2018

Do you ever get the impression people are laughing at you, America? More so recently? It could just be your imaginations. But in the view of our experts, Ambassador Nick Burns, Rosa Brooks and Kori Schake, the reason is all the actual laughter you...Show More

Rosa's Magical Global Hypocrisy Tour

43:46 | Jan 18th, 2018

Among other things, our amazing Rosa Brooks is part of an elite team of hypocrisy specialists who travel the globe in search of hypocrites in government. Recently, she and her fellow hypocrinauts visited Turkey where they found a rich vein to explor...Show More

Nukes in Paradise and Shitholes as Far as the Eye Can See

44:28 | Jan 16th, 2018

While the people of Hawaii were terrified by an errant alert indicating an incoming ballistic missile attack, the rest of the country remained frightened by what would happen even if there were not such an attack. Judging from Donald Trump's plans f...Show More

Who are you going to believe, the CIA or David Sanger?

54:07 | Jan 11th, 2018

Mike Pompeo, Director of the CIA and yet oddly, a former Congressman who still seems to be running for something, threw down the gauntlet to the true Deep State when he said that New York Times reporter and Deep State Radio stalwart got it wrong on h...Show More


48:22 | Jan 9th, 2018

Late at night in the office of Chief of Staff John Kelly. The phone rings. He picks it up and hears heavy breathing. Then a raspy voice…could it be Bannon…could it be Wolff…says “Have you checked the President?” Kelly lurches forward and grabs a ...Show More

It is Difficult to Make Predictions, Especially About the Future

39:44 | Jan 4th, 2018

Contrary to popular belief, according to, Sam Goldwyn did not utter the immortal line that is the title of this episode. Nor did physicist Niels Bohr to whom it is also attributed. Instead, the first person to offer it up was ...Show More

What the F%#k Just Happened: Our Look Back at 2017

53:40 | Jan 2nd, 2018

Is it over yet? Can we come out of our basements now? Is the worst year ever over? Well...yes and no. Yes, dear Deep State Radio nerds, you can come out of your basements. It is 2018. But no, the worst may not be over. This week in two special...Show More

What Does Putin Most Desire?

44:26 | Dec 21st, 2017

In David Rothkopf’s absence this week, Rosa Brooks hosts and reminds listeners that the Deep State Radio crew will soon be retreating into the bunker for some holiday eggnog, before resuming in the new year. The Atlantic’s Julia Ioffe argues that Put...Show More

We Sink Into Irrelevance

43:19 | Dec 19th, 2017

With David Rothkopf away circling the globe this week on the Deep State Radio spy plane, Rosa Brooks and Kori Schake are joined by the Atlantic’s Julia Ioffe and the BBC’s Kim Ghattis. Joining in live from Beirut, Kim reveals that not everyone in the...Show More

Feelin' Schadenfreudy

38:57 | Dec 12th, 2017

Was the Jerusalem deal a complete scam? Has it torpedoed US influence on the peace process? Was it not even the most important Mideast news of the past few days? Was that really Vladimir Putin's Victory Lap around the Middle East? Hisham Melham, Davi...Show More

Slouching Past Jerusalem

49:57 | Dec 8th, 2017

In a week marked by a "stunning" announcement about U.S policy toward Jerusalem and more Russia revelations, is the biggest shock of all is that Trump's foreign policy is still so much like that of Barack Obama? Or is that just the policy of the Stat...Show More

Dumber by Design

50:05 | Dec 5th, 2017

As panelist Kori Schake recounts, former Treasury Secretary Larry Summers once noted that if you staff an administration exclusively with "C" people you will get a "D" staff. He never contemplated the situation we find ourselves in today. As we in ...Show More

Deep State Radio's 50th Podcast Special

50:23 | Nov 30th, 2017

You would think that Deep State Radio would have a special celebration for our 50th podcast. You probably imagined a giant blow out in silo somewhere with confetti and an interpretative reading of the Treaty of Guadeloupe Hidalgo. Well...that happe...Show More

The Void: What is the Opposite of Foreign Policy?

42:27 | Nov 28th, 2017

In Sochi, Russia, Iran and Turkey got together to divvy up parts of the Middle East. It was eerily similar to a meeting 780 miles and 72 years Yalta, where the allied powers met to discuss the face of post-War Europe. But this time: no...Show More

A Very Deep State Thanksgiving

44:25 | Nov 22nd, 2017

What are Deep State Radio nerds thankful for this Thanksgiving? We poll our experts and we get just the responses you would expect. One said he is thankful we have not had a nuclear war with North Korea...yet. Of course, many said they were gratef...Show More

Should We Hack? Does Democracy Have a Future in the Cyber Era?

43:52 | Nov 21st, 2017

You may think election meddling is as Russian as borscht but it is also as American as apple pie. We have been doing it for years. The question is do new technologies me more of the same or do they suggest entirely new threats, deeper threats that ...Show More

Who Needs a State Department Anyway?

39:22 | Nov 16th, 2017

With Trump just back from an Asia trip that ran the gamut of outcomes from negligible to awful, the question turns again to what's going on with U.S. foreign policy. Specifically, we take a look at the gutting of the State Department and the preside...Show More

Trump in Asia: He Didn't Start a Nuclear War! Yay.

48:10 | Nov 14th, 2017

The President is returning from Asia. He says it was the greatest trip there since Marco Polo. His defenders note that he didn't start screwing up too badly until a few days in. But then again, once he started screwing up...he really went to work ...Show More

It's a Mobbed-Up World

48:01 | Nov 9th, 2017

Robert Mueller is approaching the Trump investigation as one would approach the wrong-doing of a crime family. And why not? Money-laundering, lying to the Feds, and dealing with pretty unsavory characters are par for the course. What is more, the ...Show More

Team of Dupes?

43:57 | Nov 7th, 2017

In honor of Trump's visit to Asia, the Deep State Radio gang take a look at the problems that are haunting him back home. Susan Hennessey of Lawfare, Rosa Brooks of Georgetown and Ed Luce of the Financial Times join with host David Rothkopf to explo...Show More

Trump Will Probably Not Defect to North Korea on His Asia Trip!

41:18 | Nov 2nd, 2017

President Trump embarks on a 12 day, five nation trip to Asia at a moment he has never been weaker...and when the stakes are very high. With a perilous situation in North Korea, simmering trade disputes and a newly ascendant and assertive China, the...Show More

Special Episode: The Beginning of the End for Donald Trump

42:44 | Oct 30th, 2017

9 months into his administration, Donald Trump has entered a political crisis unlike any other. With the indictments of his campaign chairman and his deputy and the guilty plea of one of his campaign foreign policy advisors, Trump has not just susta...Show More

100% Guaranteed No Trump Episode

36:58 | Oct 26th, 2017

It seems impossible, but on this episode of Deep State Radio, our indomitable team of Kori Schake of Stanford, Rosa Brooks of Georgetown, Ed Luce of the Financial Times and host, David Rothkopf, of the nearest pizzeria, manage to have an entire conve...Show More

A Gold Star for Hypocrisy

44:05 | Oct 24th, 2017

The current political dust-up over the President's mishandling of expressing his sympathies (or his interpretation of what sympathies would be like if he were capable of healthy human emotions) is revealing a bigger problem in American life. It is v...Show More

The Birth of Strategic Muddling Through

35:39 | Oct 19th, 2017

In this episode of Deep State Radio, a discussion about the state of the rudderless, visionless Middle East (and America's rudderless, visionless foreign policy) leads Rosa Brooks to frame that the core idea behind modern US foreign policy should be ...Show More

The Nullification Crisis of 2017: Present at the Destruction

44:17 | Oct 17th, 2017

Is the president leading a nullification of the power of the federal government from within--appointing enemies of departments to head departments and deconstructing the international system America has worked 75 years to build? Is it all part of so...Show More

The Art of Undoing America's Deals

38:19 | Oct 12th, 2017

In a recent interview with Forbes, President Trump said he didn't feel any obligation to honor deals struck by representatives of the United States during past administrations. His track record shows this is one area in which he is not just talk. He...Show More

Is the Establishment Taking it Too Easy on the Donald?

42:12 | Oct 10th, 2017

How did we get here? How did we get to the Secretary of State calling the president a moron and the Republican Head of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee saying he needed adult supervision and had us possibly heading for World War III? Certainl...Show More

Can't Afford a Manafort?

43:38 | Oct 5th, 2017

n this episode of Deep State Radio guests Susan Glasser of Politico, Laura Rosenberger of the German Marshall Fund and regulars Kori Schake of Stanford and Rosa Brooks of some deep silo somewhere consider the recent struggles toward self determinatio...Show More

Madman Gambit or Madman Diagnosis?

46:46 | Oct 3rd, 2017

Is the president playing three-dimensional chess with the world by constantly offering different policies with different tone and apparently different objectives from the rest of his team including his most senior cabinet members? Are we all too lim...Show More

Why Can't the Kurds Catch a Break?

46:09 | Sep 28th, 2017

In this episode of Deep State Radio we journey from Kurdistan to the ski slopes of Afghanistan, from senior proms in Kabul to Iraq, from Catalonia to China. In short, Tom Ricks, Kori Schake, Rosa Brooks and David Rothkopf look at some of the most c...Show More

The Only Discussion of the North Korea Situation You'll Ever Need

50:53 | Sep 26th, 2017

We could say a lot about this episode of Deep State Radio but there is really nothing more that needs to be said beyond the fact that this discussion featuring Pulitzer Prize-winning military historian and author of "Churchill & Orwell: The Fight for...Show More

Let's Have a Parade With Really Big Missiles!

47:35 | Sep 21st, 2017

Trump's unguided missile of a UN speech was not the only thing flying around the Deep State this week. On this episode of Deep State Radio, the heart of our line up, Kori Schake of Stanford University, Rosa. Brooks of Georgetown University and host...Show More

Will Donald Trump Despoil the UNGA Punchbowl?

45:35 | Sep 19th, 2017

It's UNGA week, the big party for the world's leaders as they come to NYC for the opening of the UN General Assembly. Of course, this year is marked by the fact that it's Donald Trump's first UNGA as president of the United States...and that could b...Show More


47:12 | Sep 13th, 2017

It's the one question everyone in the world has on their minds--other than will Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson really run for president in 2020. And that is where will Johnson's predecessor as commander-in-chief, Donald Trump, engage in his first shootin...Show More

9/11 Sixteen Years Later: Would Bin Laden View Trump as a Sign of His Mission's Success

42:28 | Sep 12th, 2017

Donald and Melania Trump presided over 9/11 remembrance ceremonies on Monday for the first time as president. Trump seemed awkward and his language was stilted. He does not do compassion well. But Trump is not so far removed from 9/11 as you might...Show More

Intermestic? Domenational? How Trump’s problems at home translate into a global mess.

46:20 | Sep 7th, 2017

Donald Trump ends the DACA program. He tacitly supports white supremacists. He goes after Muslims. He wants a wall. He attacks the courts. He can’t get anything done but can’t stop talking about it. He’s a mess. But he’s not just our mess. When the g...Show More

North Korea: What’s on the Other Side of the Twitter Redline?

41:33 | Sep 6th, 2017

Donald Trump has taken establishing foolish redlines into the 21st Century with the use of social media. In the case of North Korea, he is threatening devastating outcomes if they go one inch further…and then they do…and do it again…and he doesn’t a...Show More

Making Afghanistan Safe for Mini-skirts

42:00 | Aug 24th, 2017

President Trump has a new Afghanistan strategy, just like the old Afghanistan strategy. Are we starting our seventeenth one-year war in Afghanistan, or is the 17th time the charm? On this episode, Rosa Brooks hosts in David's absence, and Kori Schake...Show More

Can Trump Be President After Charlottesville?

40:46 | Aug 22nd, 2017

Trump's racism and affinity for the worst sorts of right wing extremists poured forth defiantly in the wake of the unrest in Charlottesville. The result was an avalanche of criticism and waves of defections from presidential advisory groups and comp...Show More

A Nuke in Every Pot

39:36 | Aug 17th, 2017

While you were busy fretting about Nazis and the sudden implosion of Donald J. Trump, the Deep State Radio team maintained its steady focus on nuclear apocalypse. With David still away in an undisclosed location, Rosa, Kori and special guests Jeffrey...Show More

This Week In Apocalypse: Nazis, The KKK, and Nuclear War!

43:24 | Aug 15th, 2017

It’s been a validating week for apocalypse watchers. On this episode of Deep State Radio, David hides in his hardened bunker while Rosa, Kori and guests Alice Hunt Friend and Jeffrey Lewis wonder what should scare us more, heavily armed white suprema...Show More

Head for Your Silos

47:46 | Aug 10th, 2017

In the latest episode of Deep State Radio Julia Ioffe of the Atlantic, Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University and host David Rothkopf take a look at the current state of Washington, DC and the world...and conclude that Rosa's earlier idea of buying up ...Show More

The Many Meanings of Putin's Torso

41:20 | Aug 8th, 2017

What is the geopolitical significance of Putin's torso? What do his exposed nipples say about Russia and its people. Why is it absolutely vital that the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump, never ever ever never sees Putin's fondness fo...Show More

The Great Thucydides Cage Match

44:50 | Aug 3rd, 2017

We present you, our beloved Deep State nerds, with the face-off you've been anticipating all summer. Our expert team breaks down rising powers, ruling powers, and the forces that drive war. Graham Allison and Kori Schake debate The Thucydides Trap, R...Show More

What Happens After Scaramooch Fandangos?

44:44 | Aug 1st, 2017

Clearly the world has gone, in the words of one Deep State Radio listener nerd, "nuclear grade bonkers." On this episode of the pod, Rosa Brooks, Kori Schake, Julie Smith, and, host, David Rothkopf discuss the latest examples of this including the d...Show More

The Cost of Trump’s Mixed Messages

42:18 | Jul 27th, 2017

This week, Ben Wittes of Brookings and Lawfare and David Sanger of the New York Times chat with David Rothkopf about the global consequences of domestic scandals. The President continues to argue that Russia didn’t interfere with the 2016 U.S. electi...Show More

In Search of Something Nice to Say About Jared

49:08 | Jul 25th, 2017

Jared Kushner took centerstage in the America's favorite circus as the week began and in this episode of Deep State Radio, our excellent guest, Lawfare editor Ben Wittes, joins David Sanger of the New York Times and David Rothkopf of somewhere in Ne...Show More

Hobbesian Barrel Roll Over Continues.

46:11 | Jul 20th, 2017

If we didn't have Trump we would have to go back to watching "House of Cards" and "Scandal" for completely implausible, mind-boggling dramas about public officials with no morals and no understanding of how the U.S. government does work or should wor...Show More

The Philosophical Origins of Trumpism

41:37 | Jul 18th, 2017

Is Trumpism a philosophy? Does it have any hint of a philosophy within it? Is there any philosopher that ever existed that would embrace Trump? Does David Sanger remember any of his college philosophy courses? On this episode, Stanford's Kori Schak...Show More

Fredo or Uday: Which One Does Donald Trump, Jr. Resemble and Why We Should Care

49:33 | Jul 13th, 2017

On this episode of Deep State Radio, Lawfare managing editor Susan Hennessey, Georgetown Law School Associate Dean Rosa Brooks and perennially optimistic Stanford military historian Kori Schake take a good hard look at the good hard time some of Amer...Show More

DSR Emergency Fantasy Felony League Edition: Putin's Unicycle

56:19 | Jul 12th, 2017

If you were playing in the Trump Division of a Fantasy Felony League, who would you pick in the draft to accumulate the most points for subpoenas, indictments, convictions, appeals, counts of perjury, lawyers, lawyer resignations, and/or denigrating ...Show More

Was Trump's Europe Trip a Fiasco? Let Us Count the Ways!

57:34 | Jul 11th, 2017

Rotten Tomatoes gives "National Lampoon's European Vacation" a score of 39 percent. But if they had rated "Donald Trump's European Vacation" the score would have been a lot lower--especially if they were listening to our panel. Rosa Brooks of Georg...Show More

With Elites Like These No Wonder We Need the Deep State

31:41 | Jul 6th, 2017

On this second episode of Deep State Radio recorded in the sylvan beauty of Aspen, Colorado during the Ideas Festival, our regulars including Kori Schake of Stanford, David Sanger of the New York Times and Ed Luce of the Financial Times, explore a fe...Show More

Report from Aspen: Is it Really "Immaterial" that the President is Unfit to Serve?

37:13 | Jul 4th, 2017

In this report from the Aspen Ideas festival and other undisclosed but nonetheless elitist locations, the Deep State Radio gang--including Ed Luce and David Rothkopf in Aspen, David Sanger in Vermont and Kori Schake from Stanford--discuss readout fro...Show More

What Poses a Greater Threat to America, Terrorists or the GOP Health Care Bill?

49:13 | Jun 29th, 2017

Generals understand it. America’s health is related the country’s military readiness. That’s why they’ve produced reports like, “Too Fat to Fight” points out Georgetown’s Rosa Brooks on this episode. She and Kori Schake of Stanford and Julia Ioffe of...Show More

Why Does All This Winning Feel So Much Like Losing?

43:06 | Jun 27th, 2017

America’s last three presidents couldn’t have been more different and yet they all contributed to declining U.S. international influence in real ways. So, is that a good thing or a bad thing? Depends on where you are sitting argue our three great pan...Show More

16 Years Down, 50 to Go: An Update on the Changing Nature of the War on Terror

43:38 | Jun 22nd, 2017

Do low tech attacks on soft targets suggest a change in the nature of both the war on terror and how our societies express their political dysfunction? Or is the mayhem that drives the news daily more or less what we have always seen in the past? On ...Show More

What is “Crift” and Why Should It Worry You?

47:24 | Jun 20th, 2017

On this episode of Deep State Radio, our regulars Kori Schake of Stanford, Rosa Brooks of Georgetown and host David Rothkopf are joined by former top White House national security aide Julie Smith. The discussion focuses on the escalations and compl...Show More

It's the End of the Pax Americana, Y'all...Is It Time to Let Someone Else Drive the Global System?

50:32 | Jun 15th, 2017

In this episode of Deep State Radio our special guest Edward Luce of the Financial Times joins Georgetown's Rosa Brooks, Stanford's Kori Schake and the New York Times' David Sanger to discuss what's gone wrong in Anglo-American democracy, what's gone...Show More

That's Not His Hair: There's a Cloud Over Trump and It's Not Going Away

47:50 | Jun 13th, 2017

There's lots we don't know about how things are going to shake out in the small constellation of scandals that surround America's president. But there is one thing that's clear. The cloud Donald Trump wanted James Comey to help remove is not going ...Show More

Imagining Trump's First Crisis

36:46 | Jun 8th, 2017

America's Twitter-bomber-in-chief has caused plenty of mayhem during his wild ride through the first half year in the presidency, but he hasn't really been tested by a crisis. On this episode, guests Rosa Brooks, Kori Shake and David Sanger discuss ...Show More

Anyone Got a Good Used Missle Silo?

41:59 | Jun 6th, 2017

On this pilot episode of the Deep State Radio podcast (secretly taped in the third sub-basement of the Ministry of Snark), guests Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University, Kori Schake of Stanford and David Sanger of the New York Times reunite with host D...Show More