Sounds like MLM but ok

Katie Young and Sasha Zazzi

The only podcast dedicated to discussing the predatory & dangerous business practices behind Multi Level Marketing - MLM, the sugarcoated term for "pyramid scheme." We'll be bringing you quality snark, expert guest hosts, & damning evidence that will...Show More
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Invasion of the Hunbots: Their Tactics, and How You Can Politely Decline Their Offers

1:32:20 | Aug 1st, 2018

Two days late, but we are here! We believe this is a keynote episode for season 2 - everyone who has been approached by a "hunbot" (which we define in the episode for those new to the movement) needs to have a few responses in their arsenal of replie...Show More
Was Volo Doing Yoga? Cuz They Were Stretching

45:17 | May 31st

We're baaaack, revisiting and updating you on Volo, the spiritual MLM that happened to be our first episode in 2018. What happened to it? Did they really change the lives of one billion people through yoga videos and encouraging people to throw out t...Show More
Sex, Lies, and MLM

1:28:43 | Feb 22nd

Happy VERY LATE Valentine's Day, when all your candy is 50% off (and maybe your flowers are dead). We intended for this episode to come out on February 13th, but the amount of technical difficulties was almost like a farce! Sit-com city, here we come...Show More
Lularoe's "Bless" of Death: The End of an Alleged Criminal Empire?

3:04:51 | Jan 31st

Please visit our website at! SPECIAL EDITION EPISODE Sasha Zazzi and Katie Young have put together a HUGE episode compiling all lawsuits currently against Lularoe with Becca Peter. Then we get into the nitty gritty of the complaint fi...Show More
"Wachter's" By The Shore

1:02:25 | Jan 23rd

Season 3 is OFFICIALLY HERE! Get your earholes ready because we're going UNDER THE SEA! (Please avoid getting swimmer's ear, though, and definitely do not pet the dolphins.) Katie Young and Sasha Zazzi present: Wachter's, the first MLM. We talk about...Show More
Hark! The Herald Pyr'mid Scheme

1:07:14 | Dec 26th, 2018

It's a Festivus Miracle! While you're finishing up dinner, throwing wrapping paper away, avoiding your in-laws by hiding out in the bathroom, and dreading the traffic on the drive back - we have a last minute present for you! Here's our Holiday Bonan...Show More
Herbalies: An Interview with Julie Contreras, Featured Advocate in "Betting On Zero"

57:50 | Nov 22nd, 2018

Happy Thanksgiving! Got a turkey to cook? Put this on in the background. Got to hit the road to see family? You know you're going to be stuck in traffic forever, so pass the time with SLMLMbutok!  Sasha and Katie sit down with special guest Julie Con...Show More
Ding Dong! Avon's Falling, er, Avon Calling

1:20:44 | Nov 14th, 2018

Hello, hello, listeners! We missed a week but here we are, ringing your doorbell and knocking on your door like the Avon Lady - well, not exactly like her, because we're bringing this podcast to you instead of make up. This week Katie and Sasha talk ...Show More
Tales from the Pyramid: Halloween and Hollow Schemes

1:30:15 | Nov 1st, 2018

Good evening, boils and ghouls! Hope you are having the time of your LIFE on Halloween because the terrifying content of these stories will make you want to DIE. We certainly got this out on the WITCHING HOUR for all you creepsters staying up late an...Show More
They've Got the Pyramid Schemes, but We've Got the Guillotines

1:56:01 | Oct 20th, 2018

Today Sasha and Katie get POLITICAL! We air our grivences about what's going on in Congress and the White House, HR 3409, and Trump's involvement with a couple MLMs. Listeners, we are all PIONEERS in this fairly new advocacy movement, and we need to ...Show More
How Boomer the Tabby's Purr-a-Mid Scheme Exposed Gary Young - TAKE 2

1:11:38 | Oct 8th, 2018

Unless you were an early adopter of the ill-fated original Boomer episode, many of you thought you missed it. You didn't! We re-recorded it because we realized it just wasn't up to par with what we usually produce. So here's the reincarnation of Boom...Show More
MLM: Mormons Losing Money? An Interview with Ryan McKnight

1:29:48 | Sep 20th, 2018

Have you ever wondered about the correlation between MLM and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints? Of course you have! Most of us have. But is there really a correlation? Are they really connected? In this episode, we talk with former chur...Show More
Aw Shucks! A Trip Around the MLM Pearl World

1:16:50 | Sep 12th, 2018

We are BACK with our NEW WEDNESDAY SCHEDULE! Katie Young and Sasha Zazzi dive right into the calm blue sea to look at oysters - wait, where do they come from? We talk Vantel in this episode, the crazy phenomenon of pearl parties on FB Live, and how t...Show More
Not Such a "Smooth Character": Why We "Wouldn't Walk a Mile for a Camel" MLM

1:33:44 | Aug 29th, 2018

For those interested in skipping ahead to the video after listening to the audio portion, skip to 41:06 on the episode on our Youtube Channel. Katie and Sasha discuss a very strange and mysterious, supposed MLM, per the press releases released a fe...Show More
THE FTC WON'T LET ME BE: How a Dumpster Fire Was Actually a BurnLounge

56:43 | Aug 20th, 2018

On this week's 'pode, Katie and Sasha get into the failed MLM "BurnLounge" that was branded as a pyramid scheme several years ago, only looking to start "BurnLounge 3.0" up soon. (Maybe. And maybe we can milk another episode out of this disaster.) "B...Show More
What's New Pussycat? NO NO NO NO

1:41:07 | Aug 13th, 2018

These are MLMs that reps are encouraging people to join immediately to get it on the "ground floor" for 2018. If being successful in an MLM is all about working hard and educating people about why your product is the best, why should it matter if you...Show More
A Decade in Scamway, er, Amway

1:13:06 | Aug 6th, 2018

On this week's episode, Sasha and Katie sit down with very busy mother Allison Briner Kraft, as she shares the harrowing details about the 10 years she spent in Amway. Based on her account, Amway is, without a doubt, a cult that is difficult to break...Show More
Sounds like MLM but Okily Dokily! Pop Culture Critiques in Media

1:18:29 | Jul 23rd, 2018

SOUNDS LIKE MLM BUT OKILY DOKILY! Hi diddly ho, anti-MLMerinos! We're back with SEASON TWO! Come listen to our podcast's "glow up" which includes... BETTER AUDIO!!  To kick off our new beginning, Sasha and Katie got to binge watch a lot of television...Show More
Father's Day Episode - Crack Open a Cold One With the ManCave Boys

54:41 | Jun 19th, 2018

In our belated special Father's Day episode, Katie and Sasha are joined by Mike Lair, owner of Pirl Consumer Advocates and our resident dad for the day. We get down to the nitty gritty of now defunct ManCave Worldwide - perhaps the most egregious com...Show More
Sounds like MLM but ok After Dark

1:11:42 | Jun 4th, 2018

Sasha and Katie take a look at some of the more interesting products of MLMs in the bedroom (and some of weird methods of using them). Don't forget your Wine Cube from Target! Twitter: @SLMLMbutok Instagram: @SLMLMbutok Facebook: Sounds like MLM but...Show More
Why is MLM a Problematic Business Model?

57:37 | May 20th, 2018

Today Katie, Sasha, and Zach talk with scam buster Ethan Vanderbuilt. Ethan has a long history in exposing scams which include MLMs. We discuss the problematic nature of MLMs and talk various other scams and how to spot them.   It's a fun show as alw...Show More
The Rise and Fall of Lularoe: Part Two

1:47:51 | May 14th, 2018

This week on Sounds like MLM but ok, we're talking to Courtney Harwood in part two of our dive into the Lularoe fiasco. Like our last guest, Roberta Blevins, Courtney was featured in the recent Bloomberg news article on Lularoe. We'll be talking with...Show More

1:08:04 | May 13th, 2018

Love being a mom, mother to be, having a mom, or you just want to hear us talk shit about MLM Mother's Day promotional sales? Sasha, Zach, and Katie are joined by a very cute and special up-and-coming guest host who chimes in for a bit, and she is wi...Show More
The Rise and Fall of Lularoe: Part One

1:21:16 | May 7th, 2018

For today's episode, we're extremely excited (and very lucky!) to have former LuLaroe trainer Roberta Blevins on the show to give us a peek into the wild and weird world of legging-related pyramid schemes. You may recognize her name from a recent Blo...Show More
How to Help a Friend in an MLM: Part 2

1:21:30 | Apr 30th, 2018

In episode 2 of our 2 part series, "How to help a friend in an MLM", Katie and Zach talk to guests Bot Watch and Elle Beau about how to talk to a friend in an MLM and what to do if your partner or significant other is in an MLM.   E-mail: Soundslikem...Show More

43:44 | Apr 26th, 2018

In light of "Smallville" star Allison Mack's recent arrest for sex trafficking within the MLM sex cult NXIVM, Sasha Zazzi and Zach Parker go down the rabbit hole to investigate what really happened in the company. We also discuss founder Keith Ranier...Show More
How to Help a Friend in an MLM: Part 1

1:18:42 | Apr 23rd, 2018

Katie Young and Zach Parker sit down in this two-part series with anti-multi level marketing advocates Elle Beau and Botwatch. We discuss why they joined the #antimlmmovement, what leaving an MLM is like, and if you should buy MLM products from your ...Show More
Breaking News - NXIVM

18:44 | Apr 21st, 2018

Re-upload: The server accidentally cut the last minute of the recording off.   *SPECIAL SLMLMBUTOK PODCAST EPISODE* Breaking News Regarding Arrest of Smallville Actress Allison Mack and Alleged Sex Cult MLM "NXIVM" THIS EPISODE CONTAINS DESCRIPTION...Show More
The Dunning-Kruger Effect

1:23:34 | Apr 12th, 2018

Ever had a friend who's stuck in an MLM stay with it, even though you've shown them statistics that it's a losing game? Or has your old college roommate with a STEM doctorate started to sell essential oils, even though you think she'd know better? Wh...Show More
Fake it 'Til You Make It

1:03:35 | Mar 26th, 2018

Today we look into the sordid story of Ellery Bennet, who followed the idea of "fake it till you make it." After running up a large of debt, partially due to a failed MLM venture. He murdered his wife when she filed for divorce. We look at the case, ...Show More
The Woo Woo Wagon #1

49:52 | Mar 19th, 2018

The Woo Woo Wagon is the show here on Sounds like MLM but ok where we discuss the alternative medicine claims made in the multilevel marking world. It is hosted by Zach Parker and the Woo and Pseudoscience expert Sasha Zazzi. Today we look into the w...Show More
How to spot an MLM

58:55 | Mar 12th, 2018

Katie Young and Zach Parker are joined by Stephanie and Mike Lair, owners of Pirl Consumer Advocates. We talk about some of the telltale signs that a company is an MLM.    If you need to reach out to Mike and Stephanie, you can find them at Pirl Cons...Show More
This is Volo!

53:10 | Mar 6th, 2018

Katie Young, Sasha Zazzi, and Zach Parker sit down to discuss the new spiritual MLM Volo. We give our opinions of the founders, his AMA, the products and the advisory board.   Their website is   His AMAs can be found here. And here...Show More