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Ian Bassin on Protecting Democracy

40:25 | Jan 19th

At the dawn of the Trump administration, Ian Bassin became the impresario behind the litigating organization Protect Democracy. Benjamin Wittes sat down with Ian to talk about the differences between Protect Democracy and more traditional litigating ...Show More
Chuck Rosenberg on Value-Based Leadership

20:39 | Feb 13th, 2018

Chuck Rosenberg spent most of his career leading or helping lead federal law enforcement agencies. Before serving as head of the Drug Enforcement Administration, Rosenberg served as Jim Comey’s chief of staff at the FBI and the Justice Department, as...Show More
Special Edition: The Mueller Report in Under an Hour

52:50 | Apr 18th

The Justice Department released on Thursday morning a redacted version of Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s report. The Mueller team divided the report into two volumes: one on Russian interference and potential coordination with the Trump campaign, a...Show More
Chuck Rosenberg on The Oath

29:31 | May 21st

Chuck Rosenberg is an analyst with NBC News and MSNBC. He also has a podcast with MSNBC called The Oath with Chuck Rosenberg. In the podcast, Chuck speaks with other former government officials about their careers, pivotal moments they witnessed in h...Show More
Christine Fair on the Sri Lanka Attacks

42:05 | May 18th

A major terrorist attack, the largest since 9/11, hit multiple locations targeting Christians in Sri Lanka on Easter morning. The violence was different from the usual terrorism that rocks Sri Lanka from time to time, and Benjamin Wittes asked Christ...Show More
Jared Cohen on 'Accidental Presidents'

47:49 | May 15th

Jared Cohen is also the author of a new book on the presidency called, "Accidental Presidents: Eight Men Who Changed America." It describes the times in American history when a president has died in office, forcing eight other men, who are neither th...Show More
John Sipher on Mueller's Report on Russian Intelligence Operations

49:58 | May 11th

Earlier this week, Benjamin Wittes spoke to John Sipher, who ran Russia operations for the CIA in Moscow. They talked about how Sipher read the Mueller report, the respective roles of the CIA and the FBI in counterintelligence investigations and oper...Show More
Bonus Edition: Jim Baker on the Russia Investigation

1:26:54 | May 10th

On May 10, the Brookings Institution hosted a public conversation between former FBI General Counsel Jim Baker, who is now the Director of National Security and Cybersecurity at the R Street Institute, and Brookings Senior Fellow Benjamin Wittes. The...Show More
Culper Partners Rule of Law Series: Jamie Gorelick

50:29 | May 8th

In this sixth episode of the special Culper Partners Rule of Law Series, David Kris and Nate Jones speak with former Deputy Attorney General Jamie Gorelick.
Bonus Edition: Henry Farrell and Abraham Newman on 'Of Privacy and Power'

41:48 | May 6th

On April 23, the Hoover Institution hosted the latest iteration of the Security by the Book series, where Jack Goldsmith interviewed Henry Farrell and Abraham Newman about their new book, “Of Privacy and Power, The Transatlantic Struggle Over Freedom...Show More
Bill Galston on Populism and Impeachment

46:32 | May 4th

Bill Galston wrote his column this week in the Wall Street Journal arguing against impeachment in a fashion that sharply diverges from arguments made by others on Lawfare. He argues that polling data shows that an impeachment inquiry would be an irre...Show More
Bonus Edition: Attorney General Barr vs. the Committee with No Bull

1:08:51 | May 2nd

Attorney General Bill Barr appeared before the Senate Judiciary Committee on Wednesday to discuss the Mueller report and the Justice Department’s wider efforts to investigate Russian interference in the 2016 election. The evening before the testimony...Show More
A BuzzFeed After-Action Report with Leopold and Cormier

53:58 | May 1st

On January 17, 2019, BuzzFeed News reported 'President Trump Directed His Attorney Michael Cohen To Lie To Congress About The Moscow Tower Project.' The reporters who wrote the story, Anthony Cormier and Jason Leopold, joined Ben Wittes to discus...Show More
Congress, Congress, and More Congress with Margaret Taylor and Molly Reynolds

44:58 | Apr 27th

The action has shifted to Congress, the Mueller report is filed, and a blizzard of subpoena fights between the White House and various congressional committees is already underway. The president has sued a committee chairman, there's a question about...Show More
Bonus Edition: A Brookings Discussion on What We Learned From the Mueller Report

1:33:30 | Apr 24th

On April 23, Benjamin Wittes hosted a panel discussion at the Brookings Institution unpacking what we learned from the redacted version of the Mueller report. The panel featured Susan Hennessey, Chuck Rosenberg and Margaret Taylor. They discussed the...Show More
Michael Anton Defends Trump's Foreign Policy

1:07:23 | Apr 23rd

Michael Anton, former Trump administration national security official and a research fellow at Hillsdale College, has published an essay in Foreign Policy explaining what he calls the 'Trump Doctrine' on foreign policy. Recently Anton sat down with J...Show More
Culper Partners Rule of Law Series: Ron Klain

55:16 | Apr 21st

In this fifth episode of the special Culper Partners Rule of Law Series, David Kris and Nate Jones speak with former senior White House and DOJ official Ron Klain.
Special Edition: What to Make of the Mueller Report

1:07:09 | Apr 19th

A redacted version of the 448-page Mueller report dropped yesterday, and there’s a lot to say about it. In this Special Edition of the Lawfare Podcast, Bob Bauer, Susan Hennessey, Mary McCord, Paul Rosenzweig, Charlie Savage and Benjamin Wittes discu...Show More
Michelle Melton on Climate Change as a National Security Threat

45:12 | Apr 17th

Michelle Melton has written on Lawfare about Climate Change and National Security, examining the implication of the threat. She and Benjamin Wittes sat down last week to talk about why we should think about climate change as a national security t...Show More
Julian Mortenson on 'The Executive Power'

52:33 | Apr 13th

Julian Mortenson, Professor of Law at the University of Michigan, is the author of a remarkable new article entitled "Article II Vests Executive Power, Not the Royal Prerogative." Recently, Benjamin Wittes spoke with the professor about the articl...Show More
Bonus Edition: James Comey at Verify 2019

1:20:00 | Apr 11th

On Thursday morning, Susan Hennessey spoke to former FBI director James Comey about encryption, China, Attorney General Bill Barr's comments to the Senate about the opening of the Russia investigation, and more.
Shorts: Memo to the Press: How Not to Screw Up on the Mueller Report

13:07 | Apr 10th

Attorney General Bill Barr announced on Wednesday, April 10, that the Mueller report will be released next week. While we wait for the release, Quinta Jurecic and Benjamin Wittes have written a "Memo to the Press: How Not to Screw Up on the Mueller R...Show More
An NSI Conversation on Yemen, Saudi Arabia, and U.S. Policy

38:15 | Apr 9th

Our friends at the National Security Institute at George Mason University have a discussion about Yemen and the U.S.-Saudi alliance. The conversation was moderated by Lester Munson, and it included Jodi Herman, Jamil Jaffer, and Dana Stroul.
Culper Partners Rule of Law Series: Kathy Ruemmler

55:09 | Apr 6th

In this fourth episode of the special Culper Partners Rule of Law series, David Kris and Nate Jones speak with former White House Counsel Kathy Ruemmler.
Mary Louise Kelly and Shane Harris on Covering the CIA

50:20 | Apr 2nd

Back in February, we hosted Bill Harlow and Marie Harf to discuss how the CIA interacts with reporters on sensitive national security topics. For this episode, we thought it only fair to turn that around and also talk about how it's seen on the other...Show More
Ambassador Kim Darroch on the State of the Special Relationship

54:53 | Mar 30th

British Ambassador to the United States, Sir Kim Darroch, sat down with Benjamin Wittes last week to talk about the US/UK alliance, particularly in moments of uncertainty for both countries. They talked briefly about Brexit, but they mostly discussed...Show More
Sue Biniaz on the Trump Administration and International Climate Policy

1:27:27 | Mar 27th

From 1989 to early 2017, Sue Biniaz was the lead climate lawyer and a climate negotiator at the State Department. Sue sat down with Lawfare's Jack Goldsmith to talk about the early days of U.S. and international climate action, how the Paris Agreemen...Show More
Special Edition: The Mueller Report and the Barr Letter

56:25 | Mar 25th

Special Counsel Robert Mueller sent his report to Bill Barr on Friday, and the attorney general sent a letter to Congress on Sunday detailing the principal conclusions of the Mueller report. Benjamin Wittes talks about it all with Lawfare Executive E...Show More
Culper Partners Rule of Law Series: Sen. Saxby Chambliss

49:30 | Mar 23rd

In this third episode of the special Culper Partners Rule of Law series, David Kris and Nate Jones speak with former Senator Saxby Chambliss, who served as a senator from Georgia from 2003–2015, and in the House of Representatives from 1995–2003.
African Elections and U.S. Interests

37:32 | Mar 19th

Demographic, technological, and geostrategic developments are disrupting the electoral landscape in sub-Saharan Africa. How do these shifts affect the political climate for democracy and participation across Africa? What have recent elections in Nige...Show More
Shorts: ‘Speaking Indictments’ by Robert S. Mueller III

20:36 | Mar 18th

It’s Robert Mueller as you’ve never heard him before. We have something special for you on the podcast today. Something very different. The Mueller report is coming. We all know that. We don’t know what’s going to be in it. We don't know when it's sh...Show More
Bill Browder and Jago Russell Debate Interpol and Authoritarian Governments

49:33 | Mar 16th

Bill Browder, human rights campaigner and foe of Vladimir Putin, seems to get arrested whenever he travels abroad as a result of red notices and diffusion orders issued by Putin through the Interpol police organization. These incidents have highlight...Show More
Andrew Coan on 'Prosecuting the President'

43:22 | Mar 12th

As the nation braces for the forthcoming end of special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into President Trump and his associates, The Lawfare Podcast decided to take a look back at the complete history of special prosecutors.
War Powers History You Never Knew with Matt Waxman

1:01:46 | Mar 9th

For the past year, Matt Waxman has been writing Lawfare vignettes about interesting—and usually overlooked—historical episodes of American constitutional war powers in action, and relating them to modern debates. These include the stories of St. Clai...Show More
Shorts: FBI Director Wray on Combating Cyberthreats

20:09 | Mar 6th

On Tuesday, Susan Hennessey interviewed FBI Director Chris Wray at the 2019 RSA Conference. They discussed about how the Director views the cyber threat landscape 18 months into his term, his concerns about the threats posed by Russia and China, what...Show More
John Judis on The Nationalist Revival

44:31 | Mar 6th

Political trends in recent years have seen a rise of right-leaning nationalism and populism around the globe, including in the United States. What are the sources of nationalism, and what are its effects on modern politics?
Luke Murry and Daniel Silverberg on National Security in Congress

43:54 | Mar 2nd

This week, Margaret Taylor sat down with seemingly unlikely partners: Luke Murray, National Security Advisor to Republican House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, and Daniel Silverberg, National Security Advisor to Democratic House Majority Leader Sten...Show More
Bonus Edition: Michael Cohen vs. the Committee with No Bull

1:02:03 | Feb 28th

On Wednesday, Michael Cohen—the former executive vice president of the Trump Organization, former deputy finance chairman of the Republican National Committee, and former personal lawyer to Donald Trump—paid a visit to the House Committee on Oversigh...Show More
Culper Partners Rule of Law Series: Eric Holder

54:33 | Feb 27th

In this second episode of the special Culper Partners Rule of Law Series, David Kris and Nates Jones, the founders of the Culper Partners consulting firm, speak with Eric Holder, who served as the 82nd Attorney General of the United States from 2009 ...Show More
Bastian Giegerich on IISS's 2019 Military Balance

42:54 | Feb 23rd

Each year, the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS) in London publishes The Military Balance, an annual assessment of the military capabilities and defense economics of 171 countries around the world. Last week, Benjamin Wittes sat do...Show More
Shorts: Four Principles for Reading the Mueller Report

13:30 | Feb 22nd

It’s looking more and more like Robert Mueller’s special counsel investigation is finally reaching an end. The regulations under which he is operating require Mueller to write and submit a final, confidential report to the attorney general. Who, i...Show More
Marie Harf and Bill Harlow on CIA Public Relations

50:16 | Feb 19th

The Central Intelligence Agency, by its very nature, is a secretive organization, yet it has a robust public affairs and media relations operation. How does the agency resolve this tension? How do its employees, from the director of the CIA to the of...Show More
Culper Rule of Law Series: Judge John Bates

1:11:03 | Feb 16th

Something a little different on the podcast today: the launch of a special series—the Culper Partners Rule of Law Series. David Kris and Nates Jones, the founders of the Culper Partners consulting firm, have recorded a limited-edition podcast series ...Show More
Amanda Sloat on All Things Brexit

52:23 | Feb 13th

On March 29, in approximately six weeks, the United Kingdom is scheduled to crash out of the European Union. As of the date of this podcast, there is no deal governing how that exit will work. To understand the stakes, Benjamin Wittes sat down last w...Show More
Bonus Edition: Whitaker vs. the Committee with No Bull

1:05:56 | Feb 10th

After the Democrats on the House Judiciary Committee assured that he would be allowed to appear voluntarily, Acting Attorney General Matthew Whitaker gave testimony on Friday before the panel on oversight of the department he has led since Jeff Sessi...Show More
The Future of Warfare

1:23:00 | Feb 9th

From the increasing development of autonomous weapons systems to the expansion of the traditional battlefield to cyber and outer space, the evolution of warfare invites ethical and legal questions about what the future holds. In November 2018, Arnold...Show More
Progressive Critiques of Liberal Internationalism

52:35 | Feb 6th

Many critics of Donald Trump’s foreign policy say the president has undermined the liberal international order, but some progressives question whether liberal internationalism was worthwhile to begin with. On Sunday, Jack Goldsmith had a conversation...Show More
Shorts: Why the FBI Sent So Many Agents to Roger Stone’s Home

06:26 | Feb 4th

In the wake of Roger Stone’s arrest on Jan. 25, 2019, Chuck Rosenberg, a longtime U.S. federal law enforcement official, explained on Lawfare why the tactics used during the arrest were wholly appropriate. Nonetheless, some politicians, including th...Show More
Herb Lin and Amy Zegart on “Bytes, Bombs, and Spies”

54:26 | Feb 2nd

Last week, as part of the Hoover Institution’s “Security by the Book” series, Jack Goldsmith spoke with Herb Lin and Amy Zegart, co-directors of the Stanford Cyber Policy Program. Lin and Zegart edited a volume on offensive cyber operations entitled:...Show More
Shorts: What a Watergate Document Can Teach the House Judiciary Committee

15:23 | Jan 31st

While researching the Watergate Road Map, Benjamin Wittes discovered a letter written by the then-Chairman of the House Committee on the Judiciary Peter Rodino to the chief judge of the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia. In the lette...Show More
Shorts: The Intelligence Chiefs vs. the Committee with No Bull

12:25 | Jan 30th

On Tuesday, the Senate Intelligence Committee heard testimony on global threats to U.S. national security from six heads of intelligence agencies: Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats, CIA Director Gina Haspel, FBI Director Christopher Wray, N...Show More
Stan Brand on Congressional Subpoenas and Contempt

37:32 | Jan 29th

With the Democrats taking control of the House of Representatives, the 116th Congress is expected to be one of vigorous oversight of the executive branch, complete with requests for documents and for testimony from executive branch officials. But how...Show More
Jeffrey Tulis on 'The Rhetorical Presidency' on Steroids

51:04 | Jan 26th

On a flight recently, Benjamin Wittes read a book that knocked his socks off: "The Rhetorical Presidency" by political scientist Jeffrey Tulis. Ben got on the phone with Jeffrey Tulis to talk about the book, how the speaking style of presidents c...Show More
Molly Reynolds and Margaret Taylor on National Security and the 116th Congress

51:04 | Jan 23rd

It's a new year with a new Congress, and the Democrats now control the House of Representatives. But how will that change affect the state of play for national security legal issues? To find out, Benjamin Wittes spoke last Friday with Brookings senio...Show More
Special Edition: Bill Barr vs. the Committee with No Bull

2:01:25 | Jan 16th

Bill Barr spent Tuesday testifying before the Senate Judiciary Committee on his nomination to take over the reins of the Justice Department as attorney general, a role he previously held during the George H.W. Bush administration. Barr spent more tha...Show More
Special Edition: The FBI’s Counterintelligence Investigation of Donald Trump

1:03:57 | Jan 12th

Benjamin Wittes talks to Carrie Cordero, Chuck Rosenberg, David Kris, Jack Goldsmith and Susan Hennessey about the New York Times's report that the FBI opened a counterintelligence investigation of Donald Trump after the president fired Director Jame...Show More
Greg Miller on “The Apprentice: Trump, Russia and the Subversion of American Democracy”

43:36 | Jan 12th

Last week, Jack Goldsmith got on the phone with Pulitzer Prize-winning Washington Post journalist Greg Miller to discuss Miller’s new book, “The Apprentice: Trump, Russia and the Subversion of American Democracy.” Miller’s book chronicles Russia’s ef...Show More
Special Edition: Jaimie Nawaday on the Veselnitskaya Indictment

29:24 | Jan 9th

Benjamin Wittes talks to Jaimie Nawaday, a former federal prosecutor in the Southern District of New York, to discuss the indictment of Natalia Veselnitskaya over alleged obstruction of justice in a case Nawaday handled. Nawaday talks about Russian a...Show More
John Sipher on Spy Swaps: Past, Present, and Future

35:36 | Jan 8th

The Russian government's recent arrest of American Paul Whelan and its charges against him have many politicians and pundits speculating about the possibility of an intended spy swap for Maria Butina. There's a lot going on here, but there's also a l...Show More
Mary McCord and Jason Blazakis on Criminalizing Domestic Terrorism

51:15 | Jan 5th

The murder of Heather Heyer in Charlottesville in 2017 and other recent events have drawn into the public discourse the fact that domestic terrorism is not a crime in and of itself. Earlier this week, Benjamin Wittes sat down with two experts on dome...Show More
Lawfare AMA 2018

1:28:48 | Dec 29th, 2018

For this end-of-the-year episode of the Lawfare Podcast, we wanted to hear from you and get your voice on the podcast. You called us with questions, you tweeted your questions using #LawfareAMA, and Benjamin Wittes, Scott Anderson, Bob Bauer, Bobby C...Show More
Exiting Syria and the Rest of the Iceberg

1:05:56 | Dec 22nd, 2018

This week, President Trump made the unexpected announcement that he was immediately withdrawing U.S. troops from Syria. To help us make sense of all that has happened over the last 72 hours, Lawfare's Scott R. Anderson sat down on Friday with a panel...Show More
David Priess on 'How to Get Rid of a President'

34:14 | Dec 19th, 2018

Since leaving government, Priess has become a historian of national security, intelligence, and the presidency, most recently writing on the history of presidential removal in the book "How to Get Rid of a President: History's Guide to Removing Unpop...Show More
Senator Mark Warner on a New Cyber Doctrine

41:00 | Dec 15th, 2018

Last week, Senator Mark Warner of Virginia addressed a crowd at the Center for New American Security (CNAS), offering what he called a “New Doctrine for Cyberwarfare & Information Operations.” Sen. Warner currently serves as the Vice Chairman of the ...Show More
The War in Yemen (and Congress’s Response)

1:00:38 | Dec 12th, 2018

Ben Wittes sat down with Gregory Johnsen, a former member of the U.N. Security Council Panel of Experts on Yemen, to do a deep dive on the conflict in Yemen. Joining them was Daniel Byman, senior fellow at the Brookings Institution’s Center for Middl...Show More
Congressman Adam Schiff on the Future of the House Intelligence Committee

42:30 | Dec 8th, 2018

On Jan. 3, Democrats will take control of the House and all of its committees. Congressman Adam Schiff, the current ranking member on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence (HPSCI), is expected to take control of the committee. This wee...Show More
Special Edition: Preet Bharara Discusses…Everything

58:44 | Dec 6th, 2018

Today Benjamin Wittes got on the phone with former U.S. attorney and podcast empresario Preet Bharara to discuss a recent report Preet has published along with the National Task Force on Rule of Law & Democracy, a group which Preet co-chairs along w...Show More
Global Developments in Encryption and Surveillance Law

1:16:35 | Dec 5th, 2018

In August, legal and technical experts gathered in Santa Barbara for the Crypto 2018 Workshop on Encryption and Surveillance to further the ongoing debate over the impact of strong encryption and law enforcement surveillance capabilities. On this epi...Show More
Special Edition: Michael Cohen’s Trump Tower Moscow Plea

1:08:19 | Nov 29th, 2018

Thursday saw another plea deal from Michael Cohen: this time with Special Counsel Robert Mueller. Cohen pleaded guilty to one count of lying to Congress regarding how long into the 2016 campaign the Trump Organization sought to build Trump Tower in M...Show More
Alina and Scott Talk Ukraine and Russia

53:44 | Nov 27th, 2018

This week, Russia and Ukraine went at it in the Kerch Strait, which separates the Black Sea from the Sea of Azov. It's the latest salvo in Russia's (not-so-secret) war against Ukraine and its eastern provinces. To understand it all, Ben Wittes spo...Show More
John Carlin on "Dawn of the Code War"

55:59 | Nov 24th, 2018

In his new book with Garrett Graff, called “Dawn of the Code War,” John Carlin explains the cyber conflicts the U.S. faces and how the government fights back. Benjamin Wittes sat down with Carlin last week to talk about the book. They talked about ab...Show More
What to Expect from the New Iraqi Government

49:55 | Nov 21st, 2018

Earlier this year, just as the United States was preparing to kick-off its national elections, the country of Iraq was finalizing the results of its own and finally installing a new government after months of debate. To understand what this new gove...Show More
Jung Pak at #NatSecGirlSquad

43:33 | Nov 17th, 2018

Following the #NatSecGirlSquad’s first conference, Benjamin Wittes sat down with Jung Pak before a live audience at the Bier Baron in Washington, DC. Jung is a senior fellow in the Brookings Institution’s Foreign Policy program and a long-time North ...Show More
The U.K. and Europe on the Brink of Brexit

57:55 | Nov 14th, 2018

On October 23, the Brookings Center on the United States and Europe hosted a panel discussion on the endgame of the Brexit negotiations with Sir Kim Darroch, Britain’s ambassador to the United States; Amanda Sloat, senior fellow at Brookings; Douglas...Show More
Paul Rosenzweig on Investigating American Presidents

31:46 | Nov 10th, 2018

On Tuesday morning, Ben Wittes sat down with Paul Rosenzweig to discuss Paul’s recent 12-part lecture series on presidential investigations released through the online educational platform The Great Courses. They talked about how Paul structured ...Show More
Special Edition: Sessions is Out!

57:16 | Nov 8th, 2018

President Trump fired Attorney General Jeff Sessions on Wednesday and replaced him on an interim basis with the attorney general’s own chief of staff, a man named Matt Whitaker. Whitaker has made repeated public statements expressing skepticism about...Show More
Cybersecurity and Financial Stability

39:49 | Nov 2nd, 2018

The rate and intensity of cyber attacks on financial institutions has increased in recent years, but the risk that these attacks pose to our financial stability remains understudied. On October 11, Susan Hennessey spoke to three senior research schol...Show More
U.S. Policy and the Crisis in Yemen

58:51 | Oct 31st, 2018

To shed light on the complicated dynamic of the conflict in Yemen, on October 25, the Center for Middle East Policy at Brookings hosted a panel discussion on U.S. policy in Yemen, featuring Brookings senior fellows Daniel Byman and Bruce Riedel, form...Show More
The Migrant Caravan and its Dissenters

44:41 | Oct 27th, 2018

On Friday, Benjamin Wittes caught up with Stephanie Leutert to talk about her time on the Mexico-Guatemala border traveling with migrants who are following a trail not unlike that of the caravan. They talked about why people are joining this caravan...Show More
András Pap on Viktor Orbán and the Decline of Hungarian Democracy

47:05 | Oct 24th, 2018

Last week, Ben Wittes met up with András Pap, a Hungarian scholar of constitutional law. Pap is a professor with Central European University’s Nationalist Studies Program in Budapest, and the two spoke about the decline of Hungarian democracy. They t...Show More
John Mearsheimer on 'The Great Delusion'

39:01 | Oct 19th, 2018

In recent decades, both democratic and republican administrations have tried to guide other countries toward liberal democracy. But John Mearsheimer’s latest book, “The Great Delusion: Liberal Dreams and International Realties,” says that strategy ha...Show More
The State of Rule of Law in the U.S.: National Security and Law Enforcement

42:17 | Oct 17th, 2018

On October 3, Benjamin Wittes co-hosted an event with his Brookings colleague, Norm Eisen, on The State of Rule of Law in the U.S. Ben moderated a panel on national security and law enforcement with Lawfare contributor and long-time Department of Jus...Show More
Through the Looking Glass with Mike Doran, An Update

58:26 | Oct 13th, 2018

Back in January, Benjamin Wittes sat down with Mike Doran to discuss his support of President Trump and dismissal of the Trump-Russia allegations and the investigation of L’Affaire Russe. Earlier this week, the two sat down again over Scotch to t...Show More
Ambassador David O'Sullivan on the US-EU Relationship

59:11 | Oct 10th, 2018

How is the US-EU relationship faring in the age of tariffs, presidential blusters, Brexit, and tensions over Iran sanctions? To figure that out, Shannon Togawa Mercer and Benjamin Wittes spoke to David O'Sullivan, the EU Ambassador to the United S...Show More
Mark Risher on Google Advanced Protection

33:57 | Oct 6th, 2018

On Wednesday, Benjamin Wittes sat down with Mark Risher, Director of Product Management for Security and Privacy for Google, to talk about how his team is thinking about the current and future threats posed by malicious cyber actors. They discusse...Show More
High School SCOTUS Visits Lawfare

26:59 | Oct 3rd, 2018

Anna Salvatore is the impresario behind the High School SCOTUS blog. She got in touch with Benjamin Wittes a number of months ago asking for an interview, and produced a fascinating character study of him. On Tuesday, Ben returned the favor. Anna joi...Show More
Robert Kagan on 'The Jungle Grows Back: America and Our Imperiled World'

1:00:56 | Sep 29th, 2018

On Wednesday, Brookings Senior Fellow Robert Kagan sat down with Susan Glasser of 'The New Yorker' to discuss Kagan's new book 'The Jungle Grows Back: America and Our Imperiled World.' Kagan and Glasser discussed whether the American public tends to ...Show More
Jim Baker on AI and Counterintelligence

46:44 | Sep 25th, 2018

The United States has become the global leader in both defense and private-sector AI. Inevitably, this has led to an environment in which adversary and ally governments alike may seek to identify and steal AI information. Jim Baker sat down with B...Show More
Elsa Kania on China’s Quantum Quest

45:20 | Sep 22nd, 2018

Over the last several years, the People’s Republic of China has built up an aggressive state-driven campaign to accelerate the development of quantum technology—a set of policies intended to put it at the very front of the pack of the next technologi...Show More
Bruce Schneier on 'Click Here to Kill Everybody'

42:54 | Sep 18th, 2018

Security technologist Bruce Schneier's latest book, Click Here to Kill Everybody: Security and Survival in a Hyper-connected World, argues that it won't be long before everything modern society relies on will be computerized and on the internet. Benj...Show More
Special Edition: Paul Manafort “Breaks”

49:22 | Sep 14th, 2018

On Friday, former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort entered a plea agreement with the special counsel. To figure out what it means for Manafort, the Mueller investigation, and President Trump, Benjamin Wittes spoke to former Obama White House cou...Show More
John Brennan and Jerrold Nadler on 20 Months Under Trump

47:59 | Sep 12th, 2018

On September 4, at the Center on National Security at Fordham Law, Representative Jerrold Nadler, the top Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee, and former CIA Director John Brennan, both outspoken critics of the president, sat down for a convers...Show More
Special Edition: Kavanaugh vs. the Committee with No Bull, Part II

2:43:14 | Sep 7th, 2018

Brett Kavanaugh spent Thursday in front of the Senate Judiciary Committee for his second day of marathon questioning about his qualifications to join the Supreme Court. But on this podcast, we cut down more than 8 hours of testimony to bring you only...Show More
Special Edition: Kavanaugh vs. the Committee with No Bull, Part I

2:12:34 | Sep 6th, 2018

Judge Brett Kavanaugh faced the Senate Judiciary Committee in Day 1 of a two-day marathon Q&A session for his nomination as an associate justice of the Supreme Court. We sat through it all so you don't have to. We've cut out all the garbage and are b...Show More
John Sipher on Human Sources in Moscow

36:57 | Sep 1st, 2018

The NYT reports that CIA human sources in Moscow are drying up, speculating that this may be because of the political environment in the United States. John Sipher joined Benjamin Wittes in the Jungle Studio to talk about the fragility of CIA oper...Show More
What is Too Far When Former Intelligence Community Leadership Criticizes the President?

56:38 | Aug 29th, 2018

What is appropriate for intelligence community leaders to say about the president? What is going too far? What is outside their lane? And what is required by the current moment when intelligence community leaders face a rogue elephant of a president ...Show More
Solomon Wisenberg on Interviewing the President

34:31 | Aug 25th, 2018

There are three people in the world who have interviewed a sitting president as part of a grand jury investigation. On Thursday, Benjamin Wittes sat down with one of them—Solomon Wisenberg—to discuss Wisenberg's experience interviewing Bill Clinton, ...Show More
Special Edition: The Mueller Investigation's Weird Weekend

47:57 | Aug 21st, 2018

What a weird weekend it has been. The Manafort jury is deliberating, the White House lawyer is cooperating with the special prosecutor and giving 30 hours of interview about presidential conduct, and Michael Cohen seems poised to either be indicted o...Show More
Brad Moss on Presidential Power and Security Clearances

30:10 | Aug 17th, 2018

The President of the United States this week stripped the former CIA Director John Brennan of his security clearance in a dramatic White House statement by Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders. The White House is threatening more adverse security c...Show More
A Worthwhile Canadian Dust-Up

35:03 | Aug 13th, 2018

Canada and Saudi Arabia have been at loggerheads over the past week ever since the Canadian Foreign Minister condemned Saudi Arabia’s arrest of Samar Badawi, a human rights activist. Saudi Arabia's reactions were extreme, including expelling the Cana...Show More
Special Edition: Buzzfeed Follows Peter Smith’s Money

41:03 | Aug 11th, 2018

There’s a new twist in one of the stranger subplots of L’Affaire Russe: Buzzfeed News reports that Peter Smith, a Republican operative who reportedly sought to obtain missing Hillary Clinton emails during the 2016 presidential campaign, made several ...Show More
The Challenges of Digital Evidence

43:25 | Aug 8th, 2018

Encryption usually takes center stage in debates over digital evidence, and the sensitivities around the issue often halt discussions before reaching practical solutions. But the CSIS recently unveiled a new report detailing solutions to other, less-...Show More
Fighting Deep Fakes

44:41 | Aug 4th, 2018

Technologies that distort representations of reality, like audio, photo, and video editing software, are nothing new, but what happens when these technologies are paired with AI to produce hyper-realistic media of things that never happened? Klon Kit...Show More
Should Humans Communicate with Aliens?

54:37 | Aug 1st, 2018

For years, Shane Harris of The Washington Post has been fascinated with the search for extraterrestrial life in the universe. But that search raises a profound question: Should we try to communicate with aliens? On July 12, Shane moderated a conversa...Show More
Talking Brexit

41:38 | Jul 28th, 2018

The British government is falling apart, Brexit talks are on the rocks, and into the maelstrom walks Donald Trump to walk in front of the Queen after having tea with her. To talk it through, Benjamin Wittes sat down with Tom Wright, Amanda Sloat, an...Show More
Kennedy, Kavanaugh, and the Future of National Security Before the Supreme Court

56:21 | Jul 25th, 2018

Justice Kennedy's resignation and the nomination of Judge Brett Kavanaugh as his replacement promises to usher in a new era of the U.S. Supreme Court, not least in the areas of foreign relations and national security law. To hash out what these chang...Show More
Jennifer Hillman and Clark Packard on Trade and National Security, Part Deux

57:55 | Jul 21st, 2018

On Tuesday, Lawfare senior editor Shannon Togawa Mercer sat down with Jennifer Hillman, former World Trade Organization Appellate Body member, commissioner on the United States international Trade Commission, and general counsel at the Office of the ...Show More
Julia Ioffe and Ian Bremmer on the Trump-Putin Summit

40:23 | Jul 18th, 2018

On Monday, Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin met in Helsinki for their first one-on-one summit, where the U.S. president said that he trusted the Russian president's denial of election interference over his own intelligence community. To break down wha...Show More
Emergency Edition: GRUccifer 2.0 Indictment!

59:32 | Jul 14th, 2018

On Friday, Special Counsel Robert Mueller indicted 12 Russian intelligence officers for their role in the theft and dissemination of documents from the DNC, the DCCC and the Clinton campaign during the 2016 election. Susan Hennessey, David Kris, Paul...Show More

40:12 | Jul 11th, 2018

#AbolishICE is the hashtag that has proliferated all over Twitter. Paul Rosenzweig, former policy guru at DHS where he supervised immigration matters, and Carrie Cordero, who has been actively engaged on the subject recently, joined Benjamin Wittes t...Show More
Radek Sikorski on the Week's Events in Poland

21:37 | Jul 7th, 2018

It's been a bad week for Polish democracy, with the government removing a bunch of judges from the country's Supreme Court in order to replace them with party loyalists. In response, protestors took to the streets to push back against the deconsolida...Show More
Amanda Sloat Talks Turkey

36:28 | Jul 3rd, 2018

Recep Tayyip Erdoğan won the Turkish election the other day, and becomes the first president under Turkey's new empowered presidential system. His party will control the Parliament as well, so it's a big win for the Turkish president. On Tuesday, Ben...Show More
Jim Baker and Orin Kerr on the Carpenter Ruling

47:36 | Jun 30th, 2018

On June 22, the Supreme Court released its long-awaited ruling in Carpenter v. United States, a case challenging whether law enforcement agencies need a search warrant to acquire the history of a cell phone's location from a wireless provider. On Thu...Show More
Stephanie Leutert on the Other Southern Border

46:15 | Jun 27th, 2018

On Monday, Benjamin Wittes spoke with Stephanie Leutert, director of the Mexico Security Initiative at The University of Texas at Austin, who has spent the past several weeks in the field studying the flow of migrants from Central America into Mexico...Show More
Michael Hayden on 'The Assault on Intelligence'

52:08 | Jun 22nd, 2018

Gen. Michael Hayden has served as the head of both the CIA and NSA—and he says that intelligence is under attack. In his latest book, “The Assault on Intelligence” Gen. Hayden argues that in what he calls a post-truth world, the United States needs i...Show More
Artificial Intelligence and Security

32:40 | Jun 20th, 2018

From manufacturing to healthcare, and from criminal justice to national security, artificial intelligence is changing nearly every sector of the global economy and many aspects of our public and private lives. Last Tuesday, as part of the A. Alfred T...Show More
All Things Inspector General...and Emails!

56:50 | Jun 16th, 2018

This week, Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz released a gigantic report on the FBI's handling of the Clinton emails matter/investigation during the 2016 election cycle. On Friday, Benjamin Wittes got together with Quinta Jurecic, ...Show More
Mira Rapp-Hooper and Steph Haggard on the Singapore Summit

41:56 | Jun 12th, 2018

On Tuesday, in Singapore, after doubts about whether the Summit would happen, President Trump met for several hours with North Korean Leader Kim Jong Un, culminating in a joint declaration between the two heads of state. Just after the declaration dr...Show More
Soumaya Keynes and Megan Reiss on Trade and National Security Under the Trump Administration

44:38 | Jun 8th, 2018

Economic welfare and national security have never been mutually exclusive, but trade has factored into the national security discourse prominently in recent days, with the administration announcing tariffs on steel and aluminum imports in the name of...Show More
Clint Watts on 'Messing with the Enemy'

50:59 | Jun 5th, 2018

Former FBI agent and Army officer Clint Watts has spent years hunting down terrorists and Russian disinformation on the Internet in his spare time. On Monday, he sat down with Benjamin Wittes in the Jungle Studio for a conversation about how terroris...Show More
The Future of CFIUS

1:15:08 | Jun 2nd, 2018

CFIUS plays an essential role in advising the president on how to exercise his or her authority to block foreign investments that might let United States' adversaries acquire sensitive American technology or intellectual property. On Thursday, the Ce...Show More
Counterterrorism Under the Early Trump Administration

1:18:42 | May 30th, 2018

In January 2017, Donald Trump inherited a complex, multifaceted counterterrorism campaign, and since taking office, he has escalated it rhetorically and operationally. On Tuesday, New America convened a panel with Joshua Geltzer and Luke Hartig, both...Show More
Vladimir Milov on Russia Beyond the Headlines

46:53 | May 26th, 2018

Vladimir Milov is the current economic advisor to Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny, and the former deputy minister of energy in the Russian government. This week, Milov spoke to Alina Polyakova about the Russian economy, the recent Cabinet re...Show More
Special Edition: Outing a Confidential Informant

41:11 | May 22nd, 2018

Bob Bauer, Jack Goldsmith and David Kris join Benjamin Wittes to discuss the sequence of events between the Justice Department, the FBI, the House intelligence committee and the White House over the last few days and the resolution arranged at the Wh...Show More
The Jerusalem Embassy Opening and Protests in Gaza

52:16 | May 18th, 2018

The past week saw the culmination of a major shift in US policy as the United States formally opened its embassy in Jerusalem. Yet ongoing protests along the border with the Gaza Strip and the Israeli government’s harsh response have provided a sharp...Show More
Special Edition: Anthony Cormier on Trump Tower Moscow

27:20 | May 17th, 2018

Benjamin Wittes speaks to Buzzfeed reporter Anthony Cormier about his latest story, co-authored with Jason Leopold, about the negotiations to build a Trump Tower in Moscow.
Amanda Tyler on Habeas Corpus in Wartime

1:02:45 | May 15th, 2018

In her new book, "Habeas Corpus in Wartime," Amanda Tyler presents a comprehensive account of the legal and political history of habeas corpus in wartime in the Anglo-American legal tradition. On Monday, Benjamin Wittes sat down with Tyler at the Hoo...Show More
The Lawfare Podcast: James Comey on 'A Higher Loyalty'

1:20:19 | May 11th, 2018

Benjamin Wittes speaks to former FBI director James Comey before a live audience at the Brookings Institution.
The Lawfare Podcast: Special Edition: Gina Haspel vs. the Senate Intelligence Committee With No Bull

1:15:07 | May 10th, 2018

On Wednesday, Gina Haspel, President Trump's nominee to lead the CIA, testified for two-and-a-half hours on her nomination before the Senate intelligence committee. We cut out all the opening statements, all of the repeated questions, and in this epi...Show More
Shane Harris on the Gina Haspel Nomination

42:43 | May 8th, 2018

Gina Haspel, the CIA's current deputy director, goes before the Senate Intelligence Committee tomorrow, May 9, 2018, for confirmation as the CIA's director. Shane Harris of The Washington Post recently produced a lengthy and detailed profile of Haspe...Show More
Mira Rapp-Hooper and Steph Haggard Preview the North Korea Summit

42:19 | May 4th, 2018

Only a few months ago, President Donald Trump threatened to rain fire and fury on North Korea and Kim Jong Un’s missiles were crashing into the ocean. Now, President Donald Trump is preparing for a summit with the North Korean leader. To understand w...Show More
Democracy's Morticians: Steven Levitsky and Daniel Ziblatt on 'How Democracies Die'

53:57 | May 2nd, 2018

Steven Levitsky and Daniel Ziblatt talk to Benjamin Wittes about their new book, "How Democracies Die."
Preserving Justice Department Independence

46:13 | Apr 28th, 2018

At Georgetown Law, Matt Axelrod, Bob Bauer, John Bellinger, Jack Goldsmith, and Don Verrilli reflect on the norms that govern contact between the White House and the Justice Department, how the Trump administration has broken them, and what can be do...Show More
Lisa Monaco and Wayne Williams on Protecting the 2018 Election

41:27 | Apr 24th, 2018

Eric Rosenbach moderates a conversation between former homeland security adviser Lisa Monaco and current Colorado Secretary of State Wayne Williams on election security.
Bobby Chesney and Scott Anderson on the Corker-Kaine AUMF

46:59 | Apr 20th, 2018

Last week, Sens. Bob Corker and Tim Kaine introduced a proposal to reshape the legal authorization for U.S. counterterrorism operations abroad. On Thursday, Susan Hennessey sat down with Bobby Chesney, co-founder of Lawfare and professor at the Unive...Show More
Toomas Ilves on the Situation

51:51 | Apr 18th, 2018

Former Estonian President Toomas Ilves sits down with Benjamin Wittes and Megan Reiss to talk about the use of social media by the presidents of the United States and Estonia, election interference, cybersecurity cooperation, and the digitization of ...Show More
Taking Stock on Syria

47:17 | Apr 14th, 2018

All week, President Trump has promised airstrikes in response to the Assad regime’s use of chemical weapons, but so far nothing has come. Does this mean he’s having second thoughts? Or is this simply the calm before the storm? On Friday afternoon, Sc...Show More
Tim Maurer on 'Cyber Mercenaries'

47:54 | Apr 11th, 2018

The idea of proxy conflict dates to the Cold War and earlier, but Tim Maurer’s new book “Cyber Mercenaries: The State, Hackers, and Power” makes one of the first forays into proxy conflict in cyberspace. Last week, Maurer sat down with Lawfare Editor...Show More
Vladimir Kara-Murza on Russia's So-Called 'Election'

41:59 | Apr 6th, 2018

Vladimir Kara-Murza is the vice chairman of Open Russia, founder of the Boris Nemtsov Foundation and a contributing opinion writer for the Washington Post. On Wednesday, Kara-Murza spoke to Alina Polyakova about last month's presidential elections in...Show More
Special Edition: The President is a 'Subject'

28:41 | Apr 4th, 2018

The Washington Post reports this evening that: "Mueller told Trump’s attorneys the president remains under investigation but is not currently a criminal target." The report comes the same day as Alex van der Zwaan was sentenced to 30 days in jail for...Show More
Bobby Chesney, Matt Tait and Steve Vladeck on War, Law and Cyberspace

41:19 | Apr 3rd, 2018

Bobby Chesney, Matt Tait and Steve Vladeck speak at the University of Texas at Austin School of Law on "War, Law and Cyberspace."
Chimène Keitner on the State Department Before and After #Rexit

49:04 | Mar 30th, 2018

Chimène Keitner speaks to Scott Anderson about her experience as international law counselor at the State Department and the future of the department after Secretary Rex Tillerson's departure.
Niall Ferguson on 'The Square and the Tower'

40:24 | Mar 27th, 2018

Jack Goldsmith interviews Niall Ferguson about Ferguson's latest book, "The Square and the Tower: Networks, Hierarchies, and the Struggle for Power."
Amy Chua on 'Political Tribes'

50:13 | Mar 24th, 2018

Jack Goldsmith talks to Yale Law School professor Amy Chua about her new book, "Political Tribes: Group Instinct and the Fate of Nations," at the Hoover Book Soiree.
Liza Osetinskaya on Journalistic Freedom Under Putin

41:47 | Mar 21st, 2018

Shortly before last Sunday's election in Russia, Alina Polyakova spoke to Liza Osetinskaya, editor of The Bell and former editor of Forbes Russia and independent Russian news agency RBC. They discussed the Kremlin’s approach to censorship and how the...Show More
A Real Live Framer of the Constitution

32:34 | Mar 16th, 2018

Matthew Kahn speaks to John Feerick, dean emeritus of Fordham Law School and an adviser to the congressional committees that drafted the 25th Amendment.
Jeh Johnson on Protecting the Cyber Battlespace

38:51 | Mar 14th, 2018

Last week, former Secretary of Homeland Security Jeh Johnson addressed the Boston Conference on Cybersecurity in a speech titled "Cyberspace is the New Battlespace." The next day, Secretary Johnson sat down with Harvard Law professor and Lawfare co-f...Show More
Yascha Mounk on Populism and Democracy

46:39 | Mar 10th, 2018

Benjamin Wittes speaks to Yascha Mounk about his new book: 'The People vs. Democracy: Why Our Freedom Is in Danger and How to Save It."
Max Boot on 'The Road Not Taken'

51:18 | Mar 7th, 2018

Benjamin Wittes interviews Max Boot on Boot's new book, "The Road Not Taken," for the Hoover Book Soiree.
Zhanna Nemtsova on Boris Nemtsov's Life

40:11 | Mar 2nd, 2018

Alina Polyakova speaks to Zhanna Nemtsova about the life and political legacy of her father, Boris Nemtsov. Learn more about Nemtsova's work at
Dan Radosh on 'Liberty Crossing'

22:04 | Feb 28th, 2018

Benjamin Wittes speaks to "Daily Show" writer Dan Radosh about his latest sitcom, "Liberty Crossing," a workplace comedy about intelligence analysts at the National Counterterrorism Center.
Stephen Williams on Vasily Maklakov

44:37 | Feb 23rd, 2018

Benjamin Wittes speaks to Judge Stephen Williams about his new book "The Reformer: How One Liberal Fought to Preempt the Russian Revolution," the story of Vasily Maklakov and the virtues of political moderation.
Phil Carter on Civil-Military Relations in the Trump Administration

38:38 | Feb 21st, 2018

The military has been not been a refuge from the Trump administration's norm-defying nature. This week, Jack Goldsmith speaks to Phil Carter, a senior fellow at the Center for a New American Security, about the history of civil-military relations, ep...Show More
Special Edition: Mueller Indicts Russian Trolls

41:53 | Feb 17th, 2018

On Friday, Special Counsel Robert Mueller indicted thirteen Russian nationals and three Russian entities involved in efforts to interfere in the U.S. political system, including the 2016 presidential election. Lawfare's Benjamin Wittes discusses what...Show More
David Frum on Threats to Democracy in the Trump Era

1:30:00 | Feb 9th, 2018

In his recent New York Times bestseller “Trumpocracy: The Corruption of the American Republic,” David Frum, senior editor of The Atlantic, lays out a compelling account of how President Donald Trump’s tendencies could push the United States toward th...Show More
Special Edition: Memo #Released

43:41 | Feb 3rd, 2018

On Friday, Rep. Devin Nunes, the House intelligence committee chairman, released a controversial and long-awaited memo alleging surveillance abuses by the Justice Department and FBI against Carter Page, a former foreign policy adviser to the Trump ca...Show More
Mike Pompeo on the State of the CIA

46:28 | Jan 30th, 2018

Last week, CIA Director Mike Pompeo visited the American Enterprise Institute to join AEI Resident Fellow Marc Thiessen for a conversation to reflect on his first year running the agency and his vision for 2018 and beyond. They discussed the challeng...Show More
Stephen Vladeck on Dalmazzi

44:47 | Jan 27th, 2018

Lawfare contributor and University of Texas law professor Stephen Vladeck argued before the Supreme Court last week in United States v. Dalmazzi, a case concerning the appointment of military judges to the Court of Military Commission Review and the ...Show More
The Lawfare Podcast, Special Edition: Not Firing Bob Mueller

35:14 | Jan 26th, 2018

The New York Times Thursday evening is reporting that back in June, President Trump tried to fire Special Counsel Robert Mueller—but couldn't quite pull it off. We, however, pulled off a special edition of the podcast to go over the story. Joining Be...Show More
What the Heck Happened in Hawaii?

1:00:46 | Jan 23rd, 2018

It may seem like ages ago, but the false alarm about a missile heading towards Hawaii hasn't left our minds. Last week, Shannon Togawa Mercer interviewed a group of experts on the event: Stephan Haggard, political science professor at the University ...Show More
Shaun Walker on Russia's Long Hangover

45:16 | Jan 20th, 2018

This week on the Lawfare Podcast, the Guardian's Moscow correspondent Shaun Walker joined special guest host Alina Polyakova to discuss his new book "The Long Hangover: Putin's New Russia and the Ghosts of the Past." They discussed Putin's use of Rus...Show More
Special Edition: Anthony Cormier on Russia Wire Transfers

34:20 | Jan 17th, 2018

Buzzfeed News has published a lengthy story by reporters Jason Leopold and Anthony Cormier entitled, "Investigators Are Scrutinizing Newly Uncovered Payments By The Russian Embassy." The story reports on an unusual set of wire transfers and movements...Show More
David Anderson on the United Kingdom's Intelligence Policies

50:26 | Jan 13th, 2018

This week, Shannon Togawa Mercer and Benjamin Wittes interviewed David Anderson QC, who served as the Independent Reviewer of Terrorism Legislation in the U.K. from 2011 to 2017. Anderson has appeared 150 times in the E.U.'s Court of Justice and the ...Show More
Julia Ioffe on What Putin Really Wants and Fears

47:10 | Jan 9th, 2018

Behind the legend of Vladimir Putin, which America’s obsession with Russia’s meddling in the 2016 elections has only bolstered, hides a complex political landscape, history and—of course—president. To dispel the myth behind Russia’s president and exp...Show More
Through the Looking Glass with Mike Doran, Part II

52:47 | Jan 6th, 2018

Part II of the conversation between Michael Doran and Benjamin Wittes. Doran, a former Brookings scholar now at the Hudson Institute, served in the George W. Bush White House, at the State Department, and at the Pentagon. The first part of the conver...Show More
Special Edition: The New York Times on Obstruction

50:18 | Jan 5th, 2018

This evening, the New York Times published a story with new details of significance to Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation regarding the President and obstruction of justice. Michael Schmidt reports, among other news, that President Trump ...Show More
Through the Looking Glass with Mike Doran, Part I

41:58 | Jan 2nd, 2018

Michael Doran and Benjamin Wittes have an extended conversation about Trump, Russia, and how Doran parted ways with his many colleagues who became #NeverTrump conservatives. Doran is a former Brookings scholar now at the Hudson Institute who served i...Show More
Year in Review: Lawfare Questions

46:12 | Dec 30th, 2017

As we wrap up 2017, we wanted to listen to you, our listeners. In this year-end episode of the Lawfare Podcast, Lawfare contributors took your questions by voicemail and answered them on the show. Susan Hennessey, Tamara Cofman Wittes and Scott Ander...Show More
What the Heck is Up with 702?

41:55 | Dec 23rd, 2017

As the year is coming to a close, Congress has now missed the deadline for reauthorizing FISA Section 702. Molly Reynolds, a Brookings fellow in Governance Studies and expert on Congress, joined Benjamin Wittes and Susan Hennessey for a conversation ...Show More
C. Christine Fair on Bangladeshi Terrorism

40:00 | Dec 20th, 2017

Last week, a Bangladeshi man set off a pipe bomb in the New York subway in an attempted terrorist attack inspired by the Islamic State. C. Christine Fair, a professor in Georgetown University’s Peace and Security Studies Program, joined Benjamin Witt...Show More
Noah Feldman on Madison’s Three Lives

38:37 | Dec 16th, 2017

President James Madison shaped the course of American history in not one, not two, but three different and foundational roles in the formation of the young republic. He was a drafter of the constitution, a leader of the Democratic-Republican party, a...Show More
Saria Samakie on Surviving Syria

52:42 | Dec 12th, 2017

Saria Samakie has a story unlike those of most of his peers at Georgetown. After being kidnapped three times in Syria, Samakie managed to flee the war-ravaged country and eventually arrived in the United States. Arne Duncan, a Brookings nonresident s...Show More
MIkhail Zygar on Putin as the Accidental King

45:34 | Dec 9th, 2017

When the Department of Justice required RT, the Russian-funded news outlet, to register as a foreign agent last month, the Russian government responded in kind. Yet the Kremlin's recent crackdown on Western media is part of a longer history of stifli...Show More
Bruce Riedel on Kings and Presidents

43:13 | Dec 5th, 2017

The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, America’s longtime ally in the Middle East, faces a tumultuous future. Plummeting oil prices, an ongoing royal purge, and Yemen’s civil war across the border have thrust the kingdom into a domestic and international maels...Show More
Special Edition: A Criminal #Flynnformation and a Plea Deal

38:04 | Dec 1st, 2017

Former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn pleaded guilty today and agreed to cooperate with Special Counsel Robert Mueller. We put together an all-star panel to talk it through. Lawfare contributors Orin Kerr, Stewart Baker, Steve Vladeck, and P...Show More
Orin Kerr on Carpenter

38:18 | Nov 29th, 2017

The Supreme Court heard oral arguments Wednesday in Carpenter v. United States, a major Fourth Amendment case asking whether a warrant is necessary before law enforcement can obtain cell site data identifying a suspect phone's location from a service...Show More
Arkady Ostrovsky on Russia’s Wild Wild Far East

47:41 | Nov 25th, 2017

Putin’s government is often painted as an all powerful, centralized regime. But, in reality, it’s far from that: in Russia’s Far East, Moscow is either resented or disregarded by many, and the security services are the only agents fully loyal to Mosc...Show More
Gordon Wood on Friends Divided

41:53 | Nov 21st, 2017

The relationship between Thomas Jefferson and John Adams largely shaped the course of the newly-formed United States of America. Historian Gordon Wood examined this relationship and its effect on America’s future in his new book “Friends Divided: Joh...Show More
Naunihal Singh on Zimbabwe and the Strategic Logic of Military Coups

37:19 | Nov 18th, 2017

On Wednesday, Zimbabwe's military placed President Robert Mugabe under house arrest and took over state institutions in what is largely considered a military coup. Naunihal Singh, author of "Seizing Power: The Strategic Logic of Military Coups" and p...Show More
Cass Sunstein on the Citizen's Guide to Impeachment

51:27 | Nov 14th, 2017

Discussion on impeachment has intensified since Donald Trump assumed office this January, but what do we know about impeachment’s constitutional design and history? Cass Sunstein, professor at Harvard Law School, recently wrote an accessible account ...Show More
Andrei Soldatov on Russian Intel Ops and Surveillance

52:08 | Nov 12th, 2017

Matters Russia have been prevalent in U.S. politics since news of the Kremlin’s meddling in the 2016 elections first surfaced. It's time to pay some serious attention to the Russian surveillance apparatus. Andrei Soldatov, a Russian investigative jou...Show More
Special Edition: A Person of Flynnterest

1:03:55 | Nov 10th, 2017

The Wall Street Journal this morning broke a major story: Special Counsel Robert Mueller is investigating President Trump's former national security advisor, Gen. Michael Flynn, for allegedly plotting with Turkish officials to arrange the extrajudici...Show More
Susan Landau is Listening in on You

47:12 | Nov 7th, 2017

Technology presents both consumer convenience and risk, creating a conflict between security and privacy as government agencies seek to weaken the protections that consumers want heightened. Cybersecurity expert and advocate of liberal encryption pol...Show More
Populisms Ancient and Modern with Mike Duncan

41:09 | Nov 3rd, 2017

Political polarization, inequality, and corruption during the period 146 to 78 BC gravely weakened the Roman Republic in the years before its collapse. In his new book “The Storm Before the Storm: The Beginning of the End of the Late Republic,” podca...Show More
Anne Applebaum on the Red Famine

26:05 | Nov 1st, 2017

Stalin’s 1929 agricultural collectivization policy, which catalyzed the most lethal famine in European history, left millions of Ukrainian peasants dead. Pulitzer Prize-winning author and journalist Anne Applebaum recently published a book on this fa...Show More
Special Edition: Indictment Day

33:23 | Oct 31st, 2017

What a day. Paul Manafort Jr. and Richard Gates III have been indicted by Special Counsel Robert Mueller, who today also rolled out a plea deal with Trump campaign advisor George Papadopoulos. Lawfare contributing editors Paul Rosenzweig, who worked ...Show More
Revenge of the Blob: A Texas National Security Review Panel

54:30 | Oct 27th, 2017

This week marked the launch of the Texas National Security Review, a new publication from the University of Texas and War on the Rocks. At the recent launch event of the journal, War on the Rocks editor-in-chief Ryan Evans moderated a conversation wi...Show More
Brookings Panel on 'Icarus' and Russian Meddling

47:08 | Oct 24th, 2017

Last week, Lawfare hosted a screening and panel discussion of the new film Icarus at the Brookings Institution. Benjamin Wittes moderated the conversation with director Bryan Fogel, producer Dan Cogan, Atlantic staff writer Julia Ioffe, and Brookings...Show More
Timothy Edgar on Mass Surveillance After Snowden

44:05 | Oct 21st, 2017

In his recent book Beyond Snowden: Privacy, Mass Surveillance, and the Struggle to Reform the NSA, civil liberties activist and former intelligence official Timothy Edgar calls for a renewed conversation on mass surveillance reform in the global and ...Show More
Bonus Edition: Stephen Vladeck on Detaining an American Enemy Combatant

53:34 | Oct 17th, 2017

When an American ISIS fighter turned himself in to Syrian Democratic Forces last month, the subsequent detention of the unnamed enemy combatant by U.S. forces sparked concern. To explore the implications of John Doe’s detention, Steve Vladeck joined ...Show More
Shadi Hamid and William McCants on Rethinking Political Islam

36:01 | Oct 13th, 2017

Political Islam has been radically shifting in the past four years since the Egyptian coup and the emergence of ISIS, consequently challenging how we understand Islamist movements and their impact. To evaluate the evolution of mainstream Islamist gro...Show More
Bob Bauer and A.B. Culvahouse on Defending the President

35:15 | Oct 6th, 2017

Last month, Lawfare and Foreign Policy hosted an event on lawyering for the Trump presidency. Susan Hennessey spoke with former White House Counsels Bob Bauer, who served in the Obama administration from 2010 to 2011, and A.B. Culvahouse, who served ...Show More
Bonus Edition: Jack Goldsmith on the Norm-Defying Presidency

44:34 | Oct 3rd, 2017

President Trump's conduct in office draws a sharp contrast between laws that formally restrict the presidency and the institutional norms that presidents have historically followed. For the October 2017 issue of The Atlantic, Jack Goldsmith addressed...Show More
Oona Hathaway and Scott Shapiro on 'The Internationalists'

45:48 | Sep 29th, 2017

The Kellogg-Briand Pact is often remembered as a failure; signed in 1928 to outlaw war, it was followed in just over a decade by one of the deadliest conflicts in history. But Oona Hathaway and Scott Shapiro see the Pact differently. In their new boo...Show More
Stephan Haggard on North Korea and the Tactical Divide

53:46 | Sep 22nd, 2017

The escalating tension between North Korea and the United States has risen to an unprecedented level. Earlier this month, Stephan Haggard, Lawrence and Sallye Krause Professor of Korea-Pacific Studies at UC San Diego, gave a lecture at a private func...Show More
Brookings Panel on Cybersecurity in U.S. Elections

58:34 | Sep 15th, 2017

The evidence of foreign interference in the 2016 U.S. elections emphasizes the significant national security threat to our democracy. Last week, Susan Hennessey joined a panel at the Brookings Institution to address the national strategy for protecti...Show More
Benjamin Wittes on Investigating the President

1:08:58 | Sep 8th, 2017

Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into possible collusion between President Donald Trump’s presidential campaign and the Russian government has been a focal point in political discourse since Mueller’s appointment in May. To contribute t...Show More
Special Edition: Shane Harris and Paul Rosenzweig on the State of Things Today

45:10 | Aug 31st, 2017

In the past 24 hours, the Financial Times reported that Russian lobbyist Rinat Akhmetshin testified before Robert Mueller's grand jury; Politico carried that the Mueller team is cooperating with the New York Attorney General to investigate Paul Mana...Show More

43:56 | Aug 25th, 2017

Susan Hennessey and Benjamin Wittes answer listener questions about Lawfare, the podcast, and current events in law and national security.
Bobby Chesney and Michael Sulmeyer on NSA and Cyber Command

40:19 | Aug 18th, 2017

Friday morning, the White House announced it will elevate Cyber Command to a full unified combatant command. Within 60 days, the Secretary of Defense will recommend whether Cyber Command should also split from the National Security Agency. On Thursda...Show More
Bryan Fogel on "Icarus"—and Russia

41:08 | Aug 12th, 2017

Filmmaker and cyclist Bryan Fogel talks about his new movie, Icarus, about Russian subversion of international doping rules in sports—and how it relates to the current investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 election.
Mira Rapp-Hooper and Stephan Haggard on North Korea

46:57 | Aug 5th, 2017

The growing threat from North Korea has intensified during the past few weeks after a series of missile tests demonstrated that the Kim regime may soon be able to strike the continental United States. This week, Benjamin Wittes spoke with Mira Rapp-H...Show More
Jim Baker and Carl Ghattas on Section 702

41:17 | Jul 28th, 2017

On December 31, 2017, Section 702 of the FISA Amendments Act will sunset. Officials insist that the provision authorizes critical intelligence gathering, but as of yet, Congress has not signaled whether it will give a clean reauthorization of the bil...Show More
Graham Allison on "Destined for War"

53:01 | Jul 22nd, 2017

This week on the Lawfare Podcast, Jack Goldsmith interviews Graham Allison at the Hoover Book Soiree about Allison's new book, Destined for War: Can America and China Escape Thucydides's Trap?.  The conversation covers the history of rising and decli...Show More
Mieke Eoyang and Evelyn Farkas on Holding Russia Accountable for Election Interference

47:30 | Jul 15th, 2017

At this point, it’s widely accepted that Russia interfered in the 2016 presidential election; the question now is what the United States should do about it. At Third Way, Mieke Eoyang, Evelyn Farkas, Ben Freeman, and Gary Ashcroft have a new paper on...Show More
Matt Tait on Recent Events in Cybersecurity

35:19 | Jul 8th, 2017

This week, Ben discusses recent events in cybersecurity with Matt Tait. Matt shared his views on WannaCry, NotPetya, and what companies and governments can do to protect against such attacks in the future.
Special Edition: Shane Harris on The Wall Street Journal's Collusion Story

33:41 | Jun 30th, 2017

Today, Shane Harris of The Wall Street Journal published an article entitled "GOP Operative Sought Clinton Emails From Hackers, Implied a Connection to Flynn." He sat down with Benjamin Wittes to discuss the story in this special edition of the podca...Show More
Avi Issacharoff and Dov Sedaka on "Fauda"

26:46 | Jun 24th, 2017

This week, in Israel, Ben had two conversations about the television show Fauda. On Tuesday, Ben spoke with Avi Issacharoff, the show's co-creator and a journalist at the Times of Israel and Walla!. Then, on Thursday, Ben talked to Brig. Gen. Dov "Fu...Show More
Dan Drezner on "The Ideas Industry"

45:36 | Jun 17th, 2017

This week, the Lawfare Podcast brings you Jack Goldsmith's interview with Dan Drezner at the Hoover Book Soirée about Drezner's new book, The Ideas Industry: How Pessimists, Partisans, and Plutocrats are Transforming the Marketplace of Ideas.  The co...Show More
Special Edition: Sessions Versus the Committee with No Bull

1:31:44 | Jun 14th, 2017

Attorney General Jeff Sessions faced questioning from the Senate Intelligence Committee today. He answered questions on his recusal, on his role in James Comey's firing, on his disputed conversation with the former FBI Director, and on his meetings w...Show More
Carrie Cordero and Paul Rosenzweig Weigh in on Comey

51:09 | Jun 9th, 2017

As the dust settles following former FBI Director James Comey’s testimony before the Senate Intelligence Committee, the Lawfare Podcast brings you expert views on what exactly happened yesterday and what it means for the Trump administration going f...Show More
Special Edition: Comey Versus the Senate Intelligence Committee with No Bull

1:16:34 | Jun 9th, 2017

In much-anticipated testimony today, former FBI Director James Comey spoke before the Senate Intelligence Committee on the subject of his many interactions with President Donald Trump prior to his dismissal. The testimony took up a tight three hours,...Show More
Matt Olsen on the Future of Section 702

54:22 | Jun 3rd, 2017

With the impending sunset of Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act in December 2017, debate is heating up over how the crucial intelligence-gathering provision will be reauthorized by Congress—and even if it will be reauthorized at...Show More
Special Edition: The Kushnercast

46:56 | May 31st, 2017

Just before the holiday weekend, as you were drifting out of town, the Washington Post dropped its 15 kiloton Kushner bomb. Over the weekend, the New York Times piled on, and by the time we got here this morning, there was only one thing to do: A s...Show More
Bob Bauer on Trump and the White House Counsel

49:50 | May 27th, 2017

Amidst the hurricane of news coming out of the White House in recent weeks, one question has surfaced again and again: why isn't White House Counsel Don McGahn stopping Donald Trump from doing all this? This week on the podcast, Benjamin Wittes sat d...Show More
Mira Rapp-Hooper on the Slow-Motion Crisis in North Korea

41:57 | May 20th, 2017

It's been a long and stressful week on the domestic front, so we at the Lawfare Podcast are bringing you a podcast on a cheerier subject: the looming crisis on the Korean Peninsula. Benjamin Wittes sat down with Mira Rapp-Hooper, Senior Fellow with t...Show More
Special Edition: Mukasey and Eggleston at the Federalist Society

1:27:32 | May 18th, 2017

It has been, to put it mildly, a busy week. So perhaps we shouldn't be surprised that when Benjamin Wittes sat down with former attorney general to President George W. Bush Michael Mukasey and former Obama White House Counsel Neil Eggleston this morn...Show More
Emergency Edition: Trump Gives Classified Material to the Russians

33:16 | May 16th, 2017

This afternoon, the Washington Post broke a major story: Donald Trump disclosed highly classified material to the Russian ambassador and Foreign Minister in the Oval Office last week, compromising a highly sensitive counterterrorism program run by an...Show More
The Rise of America’s Special Operations Forces

37:25 | May 13th, 2017

It’s been a long week, so after our special emergency edition on the firing of FBI Director James Comey, the Lawfare Podcast is coming to your rescue with an episode that has nothing at all to do with the crisis at the FBI. Instead, take a listen to ...Show More
Emergency Edition on FBI Director Comey's Firing

35:27 | May 10th, 2017

The sound quality is, well, substandard, and we apologize for that. But people on Twitter were asking for an emergency podcast on FBI Director James Comey's firing today, and we put together an incredible group to discuss the day's events. In a recor...Show More
A House Divided

55:25 | May 6th, 2017

Three months into the Trump presidency, where does the relationship between the President and the intelligence community stand? Donald Trump is no longer quite so regularly combative in his tweets and public comments about the various intelligence ag...Show More
Privacy & Power: A Transatlantic Dialogue in the Shadow of the NSA-Affair

55:34 | Apr 29th, 2017

Four years on, the cultural differences between Europe and the United States exposed by Edward Snowden’s disclosures of NSA surveillance programs still loom large in transatlantic relations. At our most recent Hoover Book Soiree, Benjamin Wittes sat ...Show More
The Lawfare Podcast: A Speech on Sextortion by Mona Sedky

51:00 | Apr 22nd, 2017

Over the past year, Lawfare has expended a great deal of ink on the problem of sextortion, a form of online sexual assault in which perpetrators obtain explicit images or video of their victims and use those images to extort further explicit content....Show More
Cyber Insecurity

46:22 | Apr 15th, 2017

As our dependence on cyberspace increases, so too will the urgency of crafting good cybersecurity policy—but the combination of knotty problems in the realms of both technology and law often makes these issues particularly difficult to iron out. In t...Show More
The Triple Entente Beer Summit

1:14:28 | Apr 8th, 2017

At the Third Triple Entente Beer Summit, the usual Rational Security gang (Shane Harris, Benjamin Wittes, Tamara Cofman Wittes, and Susan Hennessey) joins up with Stewart Baker and Michael Vatis of the Steptoe Cyberlaw Podcast to discuss airstrikes i...Show More
Special Emergency Edition: A (Shorter) Primer in Russian Active Measures and Influence Campaigns

1:59:37 | Apr 5th, 2017

On Friday, March 31st, the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence held its first open hearing in its investigation into Russian interference in the U.S. election on "Disinformation: A Primer in Russian Active Measures and Influence Campaigns." The e...Show More
Graeme Wood on "The Way of the Strangers"

59:58 | Mar 31st, 2017

At this week's Hoover Book Soiree, Samuel Tadros of the Hudson Institute and the Hoover Institution sat down with Graeme Wood to discuss his new book, The Way of the Strangers: Encounters with the Islamic State. The book both situates ISIS within con...Show More
Rep. Adam Schiff on the Role of Congress in Protecting Liberal Democracy

1:04:04 | Mar 24th, 2017

Between leading the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence's first open hearing on Russian election interference on Monday, and sparring with HPSCI Chairman Rep. Devin Nunes over Nunes's odd escapades regarding possible incidental collecti...Show More
Special Emergency Edition: Comey and Rogers Versus the Comittee, the Good Parts Version

56:15 | Mar 21st, 2017

Yesterday, FBI Director James Comey and NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers testified before the House Intelligence Committee on Russian interference in the U.S. election for an exhausting five and a half hours. They made a lot of news, but there were a...Show More
Cybersecurity in the Trump Administration

1:32:36 | Mar 18th, 2017

President Donald Trump has pledged to end the defense sequester and make the development of defensive and offensive cyber capabilities a White House priority, but the contours of U.S. cyber policy under the new administration have yet to be set—in fa...Show More
Jack Goldsmith and Matt Olsen on the Current State of National Security

38:51 | Mar 11th, 2017

This week on the podcast, Jack Goldsmith sat down with former Director of the National Counterterrorism Center Matt Olsen to talk about the current state of national security. What should we make of the president's tweeted allegations of politically ...Show More
What Happens When We Don’t Believe the President’s Oath?

1:02:26 | Mar 4th, 2017

Yesterday, Just Security and the Center on Law and Security at New York University School of Law hosted Benjamin Wittes for a conversation on a question he and I have posed about the path of the Trump presidency so far: what happens when we can’t tak...Show More
Paul Lewis on Not Closing Guantanamo

41:01 | Feb 24th, 2017

Under the oversight of Paul Lewis, the Department of Defense’s Special Envoy for Guantanamo Closure under the Obama administration, the detainee population at Guantanamo Bay went from 164 to 41. But Guantanamo remains open, and the Trump administrat...Show More
Edward Jay Epstein on “How America Lost Its Secrets”

57:37 | Feb 17th, 2017

Amidst the chaos surrounding Michael Flynn’s departure as national security advisor and the slowly unspooling news story on the Trump team’s reported contacts with the Russian government, it’s worth taking a step back and remembering a previous polit...Show More
Norm Eisen on the Emoluments Clause

38:40 | Feb 11th, 2017

Donald Trump's election as president brought a surge of interest in the previously obscure Emoluments Clause, which prohibits any “Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under [the United States]” from accepting “any present, Emolument, Office,...Show More
Goldsmith v. Lederman on Yates

38:27 | Feb 1st, 2017

On Monday, Acting Attorney General Sally Yates ordered the Justice Department not to defend President Trump's executive order banning refugees and immigrants from seven majority-Muslim countries, only to be quickly fired by Trump. Jack Goldsmith and ...Show More
About That Border Wall

37:04 | Jan 28th, 2017

President Trump kicked off the first foreign policy crisis of his new administration by signing an executive order mandating the construction of the much-promised border wall with Mexico, resulting in as-yet-unresolved confusion as to how the wall wi...Show More
What the Privacy Debate Gets Wrong

1:15:10 | Jan 20th, 2017

On January 13th, Benjamin Wittes and Emma Kohse released a new paper challenging the assumption that "privacy is an eroding value," worn away by the incessant collection of online data about consumer habits. Their paper, "The Privacy Paradox II: Meas...Show More
Jameel Jaffer on "The Drone Memos"

50:35 | Jan 14th, 2017

Jameel Jaffer, author of The Drone Memos: Targeted Killing, Secrecy, and the Law, joins Jack Goldsmith at the Hoover Book Soiree.
Susan Hennessey and Matt Tait Go on a Political Witch Hunt

46:17 | Jan 6th, 2017

In an interview with The New York Times before his intelligence briefing on Russian efforts to interfere in the U.S. election on Friday, President-elect Donald Trump called the intelligence community's assessment of Russian interference a "political...Show More
Deterring Russian Cyber Intrusions

46:45 | Dec 23rd, 2016

Whatever the President-elect might say on the matter, the question of Russian interference in the presidential election is not going away: calls continue in the Senate for an investigation into the Kremlin's meddling, and the security firm CrowdStrik...Show More
Intelligence Under a Trump Administration

1:04:37 | Dec 16th, 2016

The annual Cato Surveillance Conference kicked off this week with a panel on "Intelligence Under a Trump Administration," featuring former Director of the National Counterterrorism Center Matthew Olsen and Lawfare's own Susan Hennessey, Timothy Edgar...Show More
The Lawfare Podcast: Christopher Moran on "Company Confessions: Secrets, Memoirs, and the CIA"

38:53 | Dec 9th, 2016

The Lawfare Podcast has made it to our 200th episode! Thank you to all our listeners, old and new. This week at the Hoover Book Soiree, Jack Goldsmith interviewed Christopher Moran, a professor at the University of Warwick, on his book Company Confes...Show More
Al-Shabaab Under the AUMF

45:35 | Dec 2nd, 2016

Earlier this week, the New York Times published a story by Charlie Savage, Eric Schmitt, and Mark Mazzetti informing us that the Obama administration had changed its interpretation of the 2001 Authorization for the Use of Military Force to more broad...Show More
Real Security: Governance and Stability in the Arab World

50:57 | Nov 26th, 2016

This week on the podcast, we’re bringing you some post-Thanksgiving food for thought on the uncertain state of the Arab world. On November 21, Madeleine Albright, Tamara Cofman Wittes, Stephen Hadley, and Amr Hamzawy sat down at the Brookings Institu...Show More
Bill Banks on "Soldiers on the Homefront: The Domestic Role of the American Military"

47:24 | Nov 19th, 2016

At this week's Hoover Book Soiree, Benjamin Wittes sat down with Bill Banks, Professor of Law at Syracuse University and the Founding Director of the Institute for National Security and Counterterrorism, to talk about Bill's book with Stephen Dycus, ...Show More
"The First Day of the Rest of Our Lives" Edition

49:02 | Nov 12th, 2016

This week, the Lawfare Podcast brings you a joint episode of the show together with Rational Security. The usual Rational Security gang—Shane, Ben, Tamara, and Susan—reflect on the results of the election and ask: What national security themes drove ...Show More
David Priess on "The President's Book of Secrets"

39:21 | Nov 4th, 2016

Two weeks ago, Lawfare’s Jack Goldsmith sat down with David Priess at the Hoover Institution for a Hoover Book Soiree on Priess’s new book, The President’s Book of Secrets: The Untold Story of Intelligence Briefings to America’s Presidents from Kenne...Show More
Bahlul, Bahlul, Bahlul, Bahlul

50:26 | Oct 28th, 2016

On Thursday, October 20th, the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled once again on the case of Ali Hamza al-Bahlul, a Guantanamo detainee convicted by a military commission for inchoate conspiracy to commit war crimes. In a divided and inconclusive en ...Show More
Samuel Moyn on "How Warfare Became Both More Humane and Harder to End”

49:18 | Oct 22nd, 2016

On October 19th, Samuel Moyn, Professor of Law and History at Harvard University, closed out a one-day conference on “The Next President's Fight Against Terror” at New America with a talk on “How Warfare Became Both More Humane and Harder to End.” He...Show More
Jack Goldsmith and Susan Hennessey on Russian Interference in the U.S. Election

40:55 | Oct 14th, 2016

When audio dropped last Friday of Donald Trump boasting of attacks on women, the news quickly eclipsed another, just-as-important election story released right alongside it: reports that the United States government had decided to formally lay the bl...Show More
Stephanie Leutert on Violence in Mexico and Central America

38:11 | Oct 7th, 2016

Stephanie Leutert, the Mexico Security Initiative Fellow at the University of Texas at Austin and the author of Lawfare's Beyond the Border series, joined Benjamin Wittes on this week's podcast to talk about the epidemic of violence plaguing Mexico a...Show More
Rosa Brooks on "How Everything Became War and the Military Became Everything"

53:26 | Sep 30th, 2016

At this week's Hoover Book Soiree, Rosa Brooks joined Benjamin Wittes to talk about her new book, How Everything Became War and the Military Became Everything: Tales from the Pentagon. The book covers an extraordinary range of territory, from Brooks'...Show More
Judge Laurence Silberman on the Birth of NSD

27:48 | Sep 23rd, 2016

Last week, the National Security Division of the Justice Department celebrated its 10th anniversary by holding a major conference at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. Judge Laurence Silberman, the intellectual and policy force behin...Show More
An Interview with Independent Presidential Candidate Evan McMullin

37:07 | Sep 17th, 2016

It's been an unusual election season so far—to put it mildly. Among the many other unexpected or unprecedented occurrences that have taken place over the course of the 2016 campaign season, we've seen many people working in the usually quiet and apol...Show More
Disrupting ISIS Recruitment Online

50:43 | Sep 9th, 2016

On September 7, the Brookings Institution convened a discussion on a pilot program to disrupt online ISIS recruitment spearheaded by Jigsaw, a technology think tank run by Alphabet. Yasmin Green, Jigsaw's Head of Research and Development, presented t...Show More
Geeking Out on Al-Nashiri with Michel Paradis and Bob Loeb

52:03 | Sep 2nd, 2016

Michel Paradis, a senior attorney in the Department of Defense’s Office of the Chief Defense Counsel and counsel for Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri, came on the podcast with Bob Loeb, a partner at Orrick, Herrington and Sutcliffe and the former Acting Deput...Show More
Dave Aitel and Matt Tait on How “Everything You Know About the Vulnerability Equities Process Is Wrong”

47:53 | Aug 26th, 2016

Dave Aitel and Matt Tait come on the podcast to discuss their recent Lawfare essay critiquing the current status of the Vulnerability Equities Process. They argue that the process by which the US government decides whether or not to disclose software...Show More

36:37 | Aug 19th, 2016

It's the dog days of summer, and Lawfare is bringing you the special August AMA edition. All week, we've been taking your questions on Twitter under the hashtag #LawfareAMA, on topics ranging from Trump to the War Powers Resolution. Now, Lawfare Edit...Show More
Walter Pincus on "The Norms of National Security Reporting"

40:50 | Aug 12th, 2016

Walter Pincus, the Washington Post’s recently-retired national security reporter, sat down with Benjamin Wittes at the Hoover Book Soiree to discuss Walter's recent essay, "Reflections on Secrecy and the Press from a Life in Journalism." Walter and B...Show More
John Brennan on "Emerging Challenges"

59:42 | Aug 5th, 2016

Director of the Central Intelligence Agency John Brennan came to the Brookings Institution on July 13th for a conversation with Brookings Senior Fellow Bruce Riedel on “CIA’s strategy in the face of emerging challenges.” The two discussed a range of ...Show More
Shadi Hamid on "Islamic Exceptionalism"

57:01 | Jul 30th, 2016

Shadi Hamid is a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution’s Project on US Relations with the Islamic World and the author of the new book Islamic Exceptionalism: How the Struggle Over Islam Is Reshaping the World. Shadi sat down with Benjamin Witte...Show More
Steve Budiansky on "Code Warriors: NSA's Codebreakers and the Secret Intelligence War Against the Soviet Union"

1:03:41 | Jul 22nd, 2016

Steve Budiansky is the author of Code Warriors: NSA's Codebreakers and the Secret Intelligence War Against the Soviet Union. He joined Ben at the Hoover Book Soiree for a live conversation about his new book, which studies the National Security Agen...Show More
Will McCants on "A Caliphate Without a Caliphate"

29:31 | Jul 15th, 2016

Will McCants, a Senior Fellow at Brookings and the Director of the Project on US Relations with the Islamic World, comes on the podcast to discuss ISIS’s involvement in the recent spate of terrorist attacks across the globe. To what extent has ISIS r...Show More
Comey Versus the Committee With No Bull

1:27:21 | Jul 9th, 2016

FBI Director James Comey faced the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee this week for live long hours over the Clinton email investigation. We hacked it down to 90 minutes. Just the questions. Just the answers. None of the crap.
John Carlin Uses All the Tools

39:41 | Jul 1st, 2016

Assistant Attorney General John Carlin has a new law review article on a "whole of government" and "all-tools" approach to national security cyber threats. He sat down with Benjamin Wittes this week to discuss the article and the progress the governm...Show More
Mona Sedky on Prosecuting Sextortion

51:50 | Jun 25th, 2016

Department of Justice Computer Crimes Prosecutor Mona Sedky discusses the sextortion cases she has prosecuted and the meaning and danger of this new kind of crime.
Fred Kaplan on "Dark Territory"

1:11:44 | Jun 17th, 2016

Fred Kaplan joins Benjamin Wittes at a Hoover Book Soiree to discuss "Dark Territory: The Secret History of Cyber War."
Suzanne Spaulding on Cyber

51:12 | Jun 10th, 2016

Suzanne Spaulding, Under Secretary for the National Protection and Programs Directorate at the Department of Homeland Security, joins Lawfare's Benjamin Wittes for interview on cybersecurity and the role of DHS is cyberdefense in front of a live a au...Show More
How is the Iran Deal Really Going?

1:26:40 | Jun 4th, 2016

The Iran deal adopted in July 2015 was an effort not only to prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons but also to avert a nuclear arms competition in the Middle East. But uncertainties surrounding the future of the agreement, including the questio...Show More
The Role of Transparency in Intelligence Programs: A Conversation with Rachel Brand, Carrie Cordero and Alexander Joel

58:51 | May 27th, 2016

This week, the American Bar Association hosted a panel discussion on “Achieving More Transparency about Secret Intelligence Programs”, which along with Lawfare's Carrie Cordero, featured comments from Alexander Joel of Office of the Director of Natio...Show More
A Conversation on Targeting Americans with H. Jefferson Powell

44:54 | May 19th, 2016

Four years ago, Anwar al Awlaki—an American citizen—was killed in an American drone strike in Yemen, marking the first targeted killing of a U.S. citizen by the U.S. government. While the attack occurred almost four years ago, the legality, morality ...Show More
A Conversation on Global Intelligence Oversight with Sam Rascoff and Zach Goldman

43:23 | May 13th, 2016

This week on the show, Zachary Goldman and Samuel Rascoff of the NYU Center on Law and Security came on the show to discuss their new edited volume, “Global Intelligence Oversight: Governing Security in the Twentry-First Century.” The book’s contri...Show More
Juliette Kayyem on "Security Mom" and Building a More Resilient Nation

37:12 | May 6th, 2016

Last week, Juliette Kayyem joined Lawfare’s Jack Goldsmith at the Hoover Book Soiree for a discussion of her new book, Security Mom: An Unclassified Guide to Protecting Our Homeland and Your Home. In their conversation, Kayyem, who served as Assistan...Show More
Intel Security's Chris Young on Cybersecurity and a Debate on Using Data to Protect Data

1:33:50 | Apr 30th, 2016

Intel Security's Chris Young gives a talk on the current cybersecurity landscape. And we hold a debate on using Big Data to protect personal privacy, featuring Daniel Weitzner of MIT, Laura Donahue of Georgetown Law, Susan Hennessey of Brookings and ...Show More
Cliff Kupchan on Russia in Syria

44:56 | Apr 22nd, 2016

This week on the podcast, Benjamin Wittes and Cliff Kupchan talk about the future of U.S-Russia relations and to delve into the Russian intervention in Syria. Kupchan is the Chairman and Practice Head for Eurasia at the Eurasia Group, where he covers...Show More
The Lawfare Podcast: Daniel Weitzner and Ben Wittes on Going Dark and the Fallout from Apple v. FBI

54:58 | Apr 14th, 2016

Apple and the FBI may have been settled out of court, but that doesn’t mean the fight is over. With Congress on the verge of considering new legislation to compel technology companies to decrypt data, the Going Dark debate is alive and well.  Last w...Show More
Eric Schwartz on US Refugee Policy and the Syrian Civil War

41:15 | Apr 8th, 2016

Eric Schwartz, dean of the Hubert H. Humphrey School of Public Affairs at the University of Minnesota and previously U.S. Assistant Secretary of State for Population, Refugees, and Migration, explains why the United States has an interest in alleviat...Show More
The Lawfare Podcast: Adam Segal on "The Hacked World Order"

44:31 | Mar 31st, 2016

This week, Adam Segal of the Council on Foreign Relations joined Lawfare’s Jack Goldsmith at the Hoover Book Soiree for a discussion of his new book, The Hacked World Order: How Nations Fight, Trade, Maneuver, and Manipulate in the Digital Age. Segal...Show More
The Lawfare Podcast: The Need for Pragmatic Engagement Amidst Global Uncertainty

41:39 | Mar 25th, 2016

This week on the podcast, Lawfare’s Ben Wittes interviews Amy Zegart and Stephen Krasner, both of the Hoover Institution, about their recently released national security strategy called Pragmatic Engagement Amidst Global Uncertainty: Three Major Chal...Show More
The Lawfare Podcast: General Michael Hayden Discusses American Intelligence in the Age of Terror

56:31 | Mar 18th, 2016

Last week, General Michael Hayden—the only person to be both the director of the CIA and the NSA—joined Lawfare’s Benjamin Wittes at the Hoover Book Soiree for a discussion of his new book, Playing to the Edge: American Intelligence in the Age of Ter...Show More
The Lawfare Podcast: Lisa Monaco on America’s Counterterrorism Strategy against ISIS and Al Qaeda

1:00:27 | Mar 10th, 2016

This week, the president’s Homeland Security Advisor, Lisa Monaco, made news by announcing that the White House will release long sought data on the U.S. drone program. Delivering the Kenneth A. Moskow Lecture at the Council on Foreign Relations, Mon...Show More
Apple v. FBI at the Wilson Center

1:23:46 | Mar 5th, 2016

The Wilson Center takes on the Apple v. FBI controversy in a panel entitled “Will They or Won’t They? Understanding the Encryption Debate.” Wilson Center President Jane Harman hosts the event, which features Congressman Ted Lieu of California discuss...Show More
The Lawfare Podcast: How to Solve the Encryption Challenge

1:33:31 | Feb 26th, 2016

This week as the battle between the FBI and Apple raged in a California court, the Bipartisan Policy Center in Washington hosted Chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee Michael McCaul (R-TX) and Senator Mark Warner (D-VA) at an event unveil...Show More
The Lawfare Podcast: Leon Wieseltier on the Moral Dimensions of the Syrian Refugee Crisis

43:53 | Feb 19th, 2016

This week we have Leon Wieseltier on the show, who among many other things, is the Isaiah Berlin Senior Fellow in Culture and Policy at the Brookings Institution. Wieseltier is currently completing an essay on the moral, historical and philosophical ...Show More
The Lawfare Podcast: Daniel Placek on Darkode

57:51 | Feb 13th, 2016

Last week as part of the University of Texas at Austin Strauss Center's conference on "The Frontiers of Cybersecurity Policy and Law," Daniel Placek, formerly one of the key figures behind the underground hacker website Darkode, offered an inside loo...Show More
The Lawfare Podcast: Defense Strategies for the Next President

1:30:40 | Feb 5th, 2016

This week as Iowa voters took to the caucuses, Brookings hosted a panel discussion on defense strategy for the next president. The panel, moderated by Brookings Senior Fellow Michael O’Hanlon, included Robert Kagan of the Brookings Institution, Macke...Show More
The Lawfare Podcast: Justice Stephen Breyer on the Court and the World

1:31:40 | Jan 29th, 2016

Last week at The Brookings Institution, United States Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer participated in a discussion with Lawfare’s Benjamin Wittes and Newsweek’s Dahlia Lithwick about his new book, The Court and the World: American Law and the Ne...Show More
The Lawfare Podcast: Ashley's War and the Role of Women on the Special Ops Battlefield

1:00:44 | Jan 22nd, 2016

The fourth Hoover Book Soiree held this week in Hoover's beautiful Washington, D.C. offices featured Gayle Tzemach Lemmon on her newest book, Ashley’s War: The Untold Story of a Team of Women Soldiers on the Special Ops Battlefield. At the event, Lem...Show More
The Lawfare Podcast: Why You Should Buy Back Your Bitcoin

1:56:23 | Jan 15th, 2016

This week, Brookings hosted a discussion on Bitcoin and the technology that undergirds the currency, specifically focusing on the promise of the distributed-ledger. The panel featured David Wessel, Michael Barr, Brad Peterson, Barry Silbert, and Marg...Show More
The Lawfare Podcast: Nick Weaver on Why You Should Sell Your Bitcoin

45:47 | Jan 8th, 2016

This week we have on Nick Weaver the show. Nick's a regular Lawfare contributor, senior staff researcher at the International Computer Science Institute in Berkeley, California, and as you’ll see, quite the Bitcoin skeptic. Nick walks Ben through wha...Show More
The Lawfare Podcast: ISIS in America: Disrupting Retweets from Raqqa

42:28 | Dec 18th, 2015

This week, we asked Lorenzo Vidino and his co-author, Seamus Hughes, both from the George Washington University Program on Extremism, into the studio to discuss their new report, “ISIS in America: From Retweets to Raqqa.” Their study looked at the 71...Show More
The Lawfare Podcast: Edward Lucas on the Sum of All Cyberphobias

47:29 | Dec 11th, 2015

We welcome Edward Lucas, a senior editor at the Economist and author of the new book, Cyberphobia: Identity, Trust, Security and the Internet, to the show this week. At the third Hoover Book Soiree a few weeks ago, Lucas shared a drink with Lawfare’s...Show More
The Lawfare Podcast: Natan Sachs on Israeli Anti-Solutionism

26:37 | Dec 4th, 2015

The show this week features Natan Sachs, a Fellow in Foreign Policy at the Brookings Institution, who recently published an article in Foreign Affairs on anti-solutionism as strategy in the Israel-Palestine conflict. During his conversation with Law...Show More
The Lawfare Podcast: Charlie Savage on the Power Wars of the Obama Administration

56:56 | Nov 20th, 2015

At the last Hoover Book Soiree—which if you haven’t attended one yet, you really should—Charlie Savage, New York Times national security reporter and author of the newly released book Power Wars: Inside Obama’s Post-9/11 Presidency, sat down with Law...Show More
The Lawfare Podcast: John Carlin on National Security and the Cyber Threat Landscape

1:00:00 | Nov 13th, 2015

Earlier this week, Lawfare’s Benjamin Wittes interviewed John Carlin at the Atlantic Council on National Security and the Cyber Threat Landscape. Carlin, the Assistant Attorney General for National Security, walks Ben through recent changes in his di...Show More
The Lawfare Podcast: Bridging 20th Century Law and 21st Century Intelligence

1:08:21 | Nov 6th, 2015

Last week, George Washington University and the CIA co-hosted an event entitled Ethos and Profession of Intelligence. As part of the conference, Kenneth Wainstein moderated a conversation between CIA General Counsel Caroline Krass, Orin Kerr, and Ben...Show More
The Lawfare Podcast: Putin's Imperial Gamble

1:27:27 | Oct 30th, 2015

Perhaps you’ve heard, but tensions between the United States and Russia are heating up. With Putin upping the ante in Syria, Marvin Kalb, journalist, scholar, and a nonresident senior fellow in Foreign Policy at Brookings, came to Brookings to launch...Show More
Joby Warrick and William McCants at the Hoover Book Soiree

50:56 | Oct 23rd, 2015

Joby Warrick, author of Black Flags: The Rise of ISIS, and William McCants, author of The ISIS Apocalypse: The History, Strategy, and Doomsday Vision of the Islamic State, join Benjamin Wittes in the first Hoover Book Soiree.
The Lawfare Podcast: Surveillance Reform After Snowden

1:31:01 | Oct 16th, 2015

Last week, the Center for Strategic and International Studies hosted Ben, along with Laura Donohue of Georgetown Law, former NSA Director General Michael Hayden, and Robin Simcox of the Henry Jackson Society, to discuss the future of surveillance ref...Show More
The Lawfare Podcast: Helen Mohrmann on Cybersecurity in an Insecure Environment

49:46 | Oct 9th, 2015

As listeners may know, while we often talk about cybersecurity on the show, Brookings itself has been subject to a number of cyber-attacks in recent years. Those attacks have ranged  from infiltrations led by Chinese government-affiliated units to th...Show More
The Lawfare Podcast: How Anwar al Awlaki Become Objective Troy

50:41 | Oct 2nd, 2015

This week, New York Times national security reporter Scott Shane came on the Lawfare Podcast to provide an overview of his new book on the life and death of radical Islamic cleric Anwar al Awlaki, Objective Troy: A Terrorist, A President, and the Ris...Show More