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The Lawfare Podcast features discussions with experts, policymakers, and opinion leaders at the nexus of national security, law, and policy. On issues from foreign policy, homeland security, intelligence, and cybersecurity to governance and law, we h...Show More
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40:25 | Jan 19th

At the dawn of the Trump administration, Ian Bassin became the impresario behind the litigating organization Protect Democracy. Benjamin Wittes sat down with Ian to talk about the differences between Protect Democracy and more traditional litigating ...Show More
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20:39 | Feb 13th, 2018

Chuck Rosenberg spent most of his career leading or helping lead federal law enforcement agencies. Before serving as head of the Drug Enforcement Administration, Rosenberg served as Jim Comey’s chief of staff at the FBI and the Justice Department, as...Show More
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1:21:58 | Jul 25th

On Wednesday, former special counsel Robert S. Mueller III testified before the House Judiciary and Intelligence Committees. There was plenty of repetition and plenty of pontification. So we cut all that out to just bring you the testimony that you n...Show More

52:50 | Apr 18th

The Justice Department released on Thursday morning a redacted version of Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s report. The Mueller team divided the report into two volumes: one on Russian interference and potential coordination with the Trump campaign, a...Show More

1:02:37 | Sep 21st

Josh Campbell spent twelve years in the FBI, including work as a supervisory special agent and as special assistant to FBI Director James Comey. He is now a CNN law enforcement analyst and the author of “Crossfire Hurricane: Inside Donald Trump’s War...Show More

47:12 | Sep 18th

Tensions in the Middle East are at a high point. Over the weekend, large Saudi oil facilities were attacked. The Yemeni Houthis jumped in to claim responsibility. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo blamed Iran. President Trump tweets that the U.S. is 'lo...Show More

55:49 | Sep 14th

Between European pressure, data breaches, and scandals associated with social media manipulation, the idea of some kind of comprehensive privacy legislation has gone mainstream over the last couple of years. But while people agree over the idea of pr...Show More

49:18 | Sep 11th

The lengthy August recess has come to a close, and Congress is back. We have an impeachment investigation, we have an expanded scope of that investigation, we have confrontations between the executive branch and the legislature, and we have all of th...Show More

1:04:17 | Sep 7th

In August, the State Department’s OIG handed down a scathing report alleging political manipulation and abusive practices inside the department’s International Organization bureau. At the same time, a number of career State Department officials have ...Show More

32:28 | Sep 3rd

We've heard a lot about the national security concerns posed by companies like Huawei getting a foothold in 5G networks. We're told that China is aggressively deploying 5G technology and that the United States and the West are lagging behind. But is ...Show More

58:01 | Sep 1st

It’s April 18, 2019, Attorney General Bill Barr summons reporters to the Department of Justice in Washington DC. Robert Mueller’s report is about to be released. Before the press and the public finally see the document for themselves, Barr wants a ch...Show More

42:23 | Aug 31st

Janet Napolitano served as the secretary of homeland security from 2009–2013. Before that, she was attorney general of the State of Arizona and the governor of that state. David Priess spoke with her by phone to talk about the whole range of issues t...Show More

46:13 | Aug 28th

On August 5, the Indian government announced that it was revoking “special status” for the states of Jammu and Kashmir, enshrined in Article 370 of its constitution. Since then, hundreds of people have been detained, there have been mass protests, an...Show More

1:01:56 | Aug 26th

It’s December 29, 2016. The Obama administration announces that it’s imposing sanctions on Russia, as punishment for election interference. Michael Flynn has been tapped to become Trump’s national security advisor when the new administration takes of...Show More

46:35 | Aug 24th

In a recent white paper, Protect Democracy makes the case that President Trump has used the powers of the presidency, federal resources, and intimidating rhetoric to manipulate election outcomes in the United States. The paper offers recommendations ...Show More

50:01 | Aug 21st

David Priess sat down with Michael Desch to discuss Michael's new book, "Cult of the Irrelevant: The Waning Influence of Social Science on National Security." They discussed the different roles of social science in the policymaking process and the va...Show More

1:07:18 | Aug 19th

It’s the morning of April 25, 2016. At a hotel in London, a Maltese professor meets with a young foreign policy adviser to the Trump campaign. The two have been in touch over the past few weeks; the professor has been helping the young man connect wi...Show More

45:30 | Aug 17th

Andrew Beck Grace and Chip Brantley are the creators of the NPR podcast audio documentary White Lies, which deals with the murder of Rev. James Reeb in Selma, Alabama, during the Civil Rights Era. Benjamin Wittes talked with Andrew and Chip about how...Show More

51:04 | Aug 13th

Sasha O'Connell had a long career at the FBI where she served in a variety of strategic management positions. She was basically the FBI's Chief Strategy Officer. She joined Ben Wittes in the Jungle Studio to talk about what it takes to turn a shi...Show More

57:38 | Aug 11th

The fourth episode of Lawfare’s narrative audio documentary, The Report, which tells the story Robert S. Mueller lays out in his famous 448-page document.  This is the story of two Trump Towers, one in Moscow and one in New York. While Donald Trump w...Show More

51:48 | Aug 10th

The United Kingdom has a new Prime Minister. It also has a looming cliff it is careening toward and about to leap off of on Halloween of this year. This week, Benjamin Wittes sat down with his Brookings colleague Amanda Sloat to talk about all thi...Show More

36:33 | Aug 7th

To discuss the concept of "executive privilege," Margaret Taylor sat down with Mark Rozell, the Dean of the Schar School of Policy and Government at George Mason University, and the author of "Executive Privilege: Presidential Power, Secrecy and Acco...Show More

44:44 | Aug 4th

While Trump campaign officials engaged with the Russian social media manipulation operation as unwitting dupes, the story of the Trump campaign’s involvement with the GRU email hacking operation is more complicated. Episode three is entitled "The Cam...Show More

33:51 | Aug 3rd

Mary Ann Glendon is the chair of the Commission on Unalienable Rights, announced by Secretary Pompeo on July 8, 2019, to great controversy. Glendon, the Learned Hand Professor of Law at Harvard Law School, sat down with Jack Goldsmith to discuss the ...Show More

50:10 | Jul 30th

Few nations have a history with the United States that is as complicated as that of the Republic of Iraq. Today, several factors are putting entirely new pressures on this relationship, one that many believe remains essential to maintaining regional ...Show More

51:05 | Jul 28th

Jonna Mendez is a former CIA Chief of Disguise, who is also a specialist in clandestine photography. She is the co-author, with her late husband Tony Mendez, of "The Moscow Rules: The Secret CIA Tactics that Helped America Win the Cold War." David Pr...Show More

50:51 | Jul 26th

Last week, we released the first episode of this narrative audio documentary, which tells the story Robert S. Mueller lays out in his famous 448 page document. This week, Mueller testified before the House of Representatives in what many people hoped...Show More

50:06 | Jul 25th

On Wednesday, former special counsel Robert S. Mueller III testified before the House Judiciary and Intelligence Committees. There was plenty of repetition and plenty of pontification. So we cut all that out to just bring you the testimony that you n...Show More

1:04:12 | Jul 25th

Former special counsel Robert S. Mueller III testified on Wednesday before the House Intelligence and Judiciary Committees. Following the hearing, Lawfare brought together Jim Baker, Bob Bauer, Susan Hennessey and Margaret Taylor for a conversation h...Show More

47:03 | Jul 23rd

Finally, this week, former FBI director Robert Swan Mueller III will testify in front of the House Judiciary and Intelligence Committees about the findings from his work as Special Counsel investigating the Russian government's efforts to interfere i...Show More

55:53 | Jul 20th

Jack Goldsmith sat down in Cambridge, Massachusetts, to have a conversation with former Secretary of Defense Ash Carter. They talked about Carter's new book, his time as head of the Pentagon, the challenges of conveying national security threats to t...Show More

39:01 | Jul 19th

For the past several weeks, a group of us has been working on a project to tell the story of the Mueller Report in an accessible form. The Mueller Report tells a heck of a story, a bunch of incredible stories, actually. But it does so in a form that’...Show More

59:39 | Jul 16th

Larry Diamond, a senior fellow at Stanford University’s Hoover Institution, has spent the last forty years studying democracy. Over the last few years, he’s observed democratic values begin to crumble to political pressure, while authoritarianism is ...Show More

47:40 | Jul 13th

Our friends from the National Security Institute at George Mason University stopped by earlier this week for their 3rd edition of Faultlines, to discuss a slew of U.S. foreign policy challenges. Lester Munson, Jodi Herman, and Dana Stroul, all former...Show More

51:56 | Jul 10th

To talk about congressional oversight of the executive branch, Margaret Taylor sat down with Austin Evers, the executive director of American Oversight, and Michael Stern, who served for many years as the Senior Counsel to the U.S. House of Represent...Show More

46:11 | Jul 6th

Benjamin Wittes sat down with Dan Byman, senior fellow at the Brookings Institution's Center for Middle East Studies and Lawfare's foreign policy editor, to discuss his new book, "Road Warriors: Foreign Fighters in the Armies of Jihad."

32:53 | Jul 2nd

Early this week, about 200 protestors broke into and occupied the seat of Hong Kong's legislative assembly. The protests began with a controversial law about extradition to mainland China. Today we ask: WTF, Hong Kong? To answer that question, Benjam...Show More

54:25 | Jun 29th

Benjamin Wittes sat down with Mike Chase, whom you probably know better on Twitter as @CrimeADay. Mike has a new book: "How to Become a Federal Criminal: An Illustrated Handbook for the Aspiring Offender." Ben and Mike chatted about the super wacky l...Show More

56:14 | Jun 26th

Benjamin Wittes sat down with Mike O'Hanlon who writes on military affairs and foreign policy, and has been a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution for a long time. His latest book is "The Senkaku Paradox: Risking Great Power War Over Small Stak...Show More

54:10 | Jun 22nd

Errol Morris is a celebrated documentarian whose films have covered an array of topics in law and national security. They include "The Fog of War," which won an Oscar for its account of Robert McNamara's role in and lessons from the Vietnam War, and ...Show More

51:52 | Jun 18th

It's getting ugly in the Persian Gulf: Iran allegedly attacks two oil tankers. It announces that it's going to violate the JCPOA, the so-called Iran nuclear agreement. There's talk of military strikes. Europe is edgy. Benjamin Wittes sat down with...Show More

46:36 | Jun 15th

Russian and Chinese leaders understand that they’re unlikely to win a shooting war with the United States, but they have other ways to challenge Western interests, turning our greatest strengths into weaknesses. Jim Sciutto calls it “the shadow w...Show More

46:53 | Jun 12th

With the 2020 presidential election on the horizon, last week, Stanford's Cyber Policy Center published a report on securing American elections, including recommendations on how the U.S. can protect elections and election infrastructure from foreign ...Show More

50:30 | Jun 8th

In this episode of the special Culper Partners Rule of Law Series, David Kris and Nate Jones speak with John Bellinger. In his remarks, John expresses a profound anguish over assaults on the rules-based international order. It's a sobering conversat...Show More

40:19 | Jun 4th

Last week, David Priess spoke with Nada Bakos about what a CIA targeting officer does, what it was like interrogating detainees in Iraq, and the difficulties she encountered in getting her new book, 'The Targeter,' to print.

59:35 | Jun 1st

How do intelligence agencies balance competing interests in protecting privacy and civil liberties, ensuring transparency and accountability, and safeguarding the country’s most sensitive secrets? To shed light on the subject, on Friday, Brookings ho...Show More

1:00:22 | May 29th

Susan Hennessey hosts Quinta Jurecic, David Kris, Paul Rosenzweig and Benjamin Wittes to discuss (now former) Special Counsel Robert Mueller's Wednesday press conference and what comes next.

53:41 | May 29th

Last month at the 2019 Verify Conference, the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation hosted a panel discussion featuring former CIA Deputy Director Avril Haines, former Pentagon chief of staff Eric Rosenbach, and New York Times national security corres...Show More

50:56 | May 25th

Our friends from the National Security Institute at George Mason University stopped by earlier this week to discuss U.S.-China relations. Lester Munson, Jodi Herman, Jameel Jaffer, and Dana Stroul, former Senate Foreign Relations Committee staffers w...Show More

29:31 | May 21st

Chuck Rosenberg is an analyst with NBC News and MSNBC. He also has a podcast with MSNBC called The Oath with Chuck Rosenberg. In the podcast, Chuck speaks with other former government officials about their careers, pivotal moments they witnessed in h...Show More

42:05 | May 18th

A major terrorist attack, the largest since 9/11, hit multiple locations targeting Christians in Sri Lanka on Easter morning. The violence was different from the usual terrorism that rocks Sri Lanka from time to time, and Benjamin Wittes asked Christ...Show More

47:49 | May 15th

Jared Cohen is also the author of a new book on the presidency called, "Accidental Presidents: Eight Men Who Changed America." It describes the times in American history when a president has died in office, forcing eight other men, who are neither th...Show More

49:58 | May 11th

Earlier this week, Benjamin Wittes spoke to John Sipher, who ran Russia operations for the CIA in Moscow. They talked about how Sipher read the Mueller report, the respective roles of the CIA and the FBI in counterintelligence investigations and oper...Show More

1:26:54 | May 10th

On May 10, the Brookings Institution hosted a public conversation between former FBI General Counsel Jim Baker, who is now the Director of National Security and Cybersecurity at the R Street Institute, and Brookings Senior Fellow Benjamin Wittes. The...Show More

50:29 | May 8th

In this sixth episode of the special Culper Partners Rule of Law Series, David Kris and Nate Jones speak with former Deputy Attorney General Jamie Gorelick.

41:48 | May 6th

On April 23, the Hoover Institution hosted the latest iteration of the Security by the Book series, where Jack Goldsmith interviewed Henry Farrell and Abraham Newman about their new book, “Of Privacy and Power, The Transatlantic Struggle Over Freedom...Show More

46:32 | May 4th

Bill Galston wrote his column this week in the Wall Street Journal arguing against impeachment in a fashion that sharply diverges from arguments made by others on Lawfare. He argues that polling data shows that an impeachment inquiry would be an irre...Show More

1:08:45 | May 2nd

Attorney General Bill Barr appeared before the Senate Judiciary Committee on Wednesday to discuss the Mueller report and the Justice Department’s wider efforts to investigate Russian interference in the 2016 election. The evening before the testimony...Show More

53:58 | May 1st

On January 17, 2019, BuzzFeed News reported 'President Trump Directed His Attorney Michael Cohen To Lie To Congress About The Moscow Tower Project.' The reporters who wrote the story, Anthony Cormier and Jason Leopold, joined Ben Wittes to discus...Show More

44:58 | Apr 27th

The action has shifted to Congress, the Mueller report is filed, and a blizzard of subpoena fights between the White House and various congressional committees is already underway. The president has sued a committee chairman, there's a question about...Show More

1:33:30 | Apr 24th

On April 23, Benjamin Wittes hosted a panel discussion at the Brookings Institution unpacking what we learned from the redacted version of the Mueller report. The panel featured Susan Hennessey, Chuck Rosenberg and Margaret Taylor. They discussed the...Show More

1:07:23 | Apr 23rd

Michael Anton, former Trump administration national security official and a research fellow at Hillsdale College, has published an essay in Foreign Policy explaining what he calls the 'Trump Doctrine' on foreign policy. Recently Anton sat down with J...Show More

55:16 | Apr 21st

In this fifth episode of the special Culper Partners Rule of Law Series, David Kris and Nate Jones speak with former senior White House and DOJ official Ron Klain.

1:07:09 | Apr 19th

A redacted version of the 448-page Mueller report dropped yesterday, and there’s a lot to say about it. In this Special Edition of the Lawfare Podcast, Bob Bauer, Susan Hennessey, Mary McCord, Paul Rosenzweig, Charlie Savage and Benjamin Wittes discu...Show More

45:12 | Apr 17th

Michelle Melton has written on Lawfare about Climate Change and National Security, examining the implication of the threat. She and Benjamin Wittes sat down last week to talk about why we should think about climate change as a national security t...Show More

52:33 | Apr 13th

Julian Mortenson, Professor of Law at the University of Michigan, is the author of a remarkable new article entitled "Article II Vests Executive Power, Not the Royal Prerogative." Recently, Benjamin Wittes spoke with the professor about the articl...Show More

1:20:00 | Apr 11th

On Thursday morning, Susan Hennessey spoke to former FBI director James Comey about encryption, China, Attorney General Bill Barr's comments to the Senate about the opening of the Russia investigation, and more.

13:07 | Apr 10th

Attorney General Bill Barr announced on Wednesday, April 10, that the Mueller report will be released next week. While we wait for the release, Quinta Jurecic and Benjamin Wittes have written a "Memo to the Press: How Not to Screw Up on the Mueller R...Show More

38:15 | Apr 9th

Our friends at the National Security Institute at George Mason University have a discussion about Yemen and the U.S.-Saudi alliance. The conversation was moderated by Lester Munson, and it included Jodi Herman, Jamil Jaffer, and Dana Stroul.

55:09 | Apr 6th

In this fourth episode of the special Culper Partners Rule of Law series, David Kris and Nate Jones speak with former White House Counsel Kathy Ruemmler.

50:20 | Apr 2nd

Back in February, we hosted Bill Harlow and Marie Harf to discuss how the CIA interacts with reporters on sensitive national security topics. For this episode, we thought it only fair to turn that around and also talk about how it's seen on the other...Show More

54:53 | Mar 30th

British Ambassador to the United States, Sir Kim Darroch, sat down with Benjamin Wittes last week to talk about the US/UK alliance, particularly in moments of uncertainty for both countries. They talked briefly about Brexit, but they mostly discussed...Show More

1:27:27 | Mar 27th

From 1989 to early 2017, Sue Biniaz was the lead climate lawyer and a climate negotiator at the State Department. Sue sat down with Lawfare's Jack Goldsmith to talk about the early days of U.S. and international climate action, how the Paris Agreemen...Show More

56:25 | Mar 25th

Special Counsel Robert Mueller sent his report to Bill Barr on Friday, and the attorney general sent a letter to Congress on Sunday detailing the principal conclusions of the Mueller report. Benjamin Wittes talks about it all with Lawfare Executive E...Show More

49:30 | Mar 23rd

In this third episode of the special Culper Partners Rule of Law series, David Kris and Nate Jones speak with former Senator Saxby Chambliss, who served as a senator from Georgia from 2003–2015, and in the House of Representatives from 1995–2003.

37:32 | Mar 19th

Demographic, technological, and geostrategic developments are disrupting the electoral landscape in sub-Saharan Africa. How do these shifts affect the political climate for democracy and participation across Africa? What have recent elections in Nige...Show More

20:36 | Mar 18th

It’s Robert Mueller as you’ve never heard him before. We have something special for you on the podcast today. Something very different. The Mueller report is coming. We all know that. We don’t know what’s going to be in it. We don't know when it's sh...Show More

49:33 | Mar 16th

Bill Browder, human rights campaigner and foe of Vladimir Putin, seems to get arrested whenever he travels abroad as a result of red notices and diffusion orders issued by Putin through the Interpol police organization. These incidents have highlight...Show More

43:22 | Mar 12th

As the nation braces for the forthcoming end of special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into President Trump and his associates, The Lawfare Podcast decided to take a look back at the complete history of special prosecutors.

1:01:46 | Mar 9th

For the past year, Matt Waxman has been writing Lawfare vignettes about interesting—and usually overlooked—historical episodes of American constitutional war powers in action, and relating them to modern debates. These include the stories of St. Clai...Show More

20:09 | Mar 6th

On Tuesday, Susan Hennessey interviewed FBI Director Chris Wray at the 2019 RSA Conference. They discussed about how the Director views the cyber threat landscape 18 months into his term, his concerns about the threats posed by Russia and China, what...Show More

44:31 | Mar 6th

Political trends in recent years have seen a rise of right-leaning nationalism and populism around the globe, including in the United States. What are the sources of nationalism, and what are its effects on modern politics?

43:54 | Mar 2nd

This week, Margaret Taylor sat down with seemingly unlikely partners: Luke Murray, National Security Advisor to Republican House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, and Daniel Silverberg, National Security Advisor to Democratic House Majority Leader Sten...Show More

1:02:03 | Feb 28th

On Wednesday, Michael Cohen—the former executive vice president of the Trump Organization, former deputy finance chairman of the Republican National Committee, and former personal lawyer to Donald Trump—paid a visit to the House Committee on Oversigh...Show More

54:33 | Feb 27th

In this second episode of the special Culper Partners Rule of Law Series, David Kris and Nates Jones, the founders of the Culper Partners consulting firm, speak with Eric Holder, who served as the 82nd Attorney General of the United States from 2009 ...Show More

42:54 | Feb 23rd

Each year, the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS) in London publishes The Military Balance, an annual assessment of the military capabilities and defense economics of 171 countries around the world. Last week, Benjamin Wittes sat do...Show More

13:30 | Feb 22nd

It’s looking more and more like Robert Mueller’s special counsel investigation is finally reaching an end. The regulations under which he is operating require Mueller to write and submit a final, confidential report to the attorney general. Who, i...Show More

50:16 | Feb 19th

The Central Intelligence Agency, by its very nature, is a secretive organization, yet it has a robust public affairs and media relations operation. How does the agency resolve this tension? How do its employees, from the director of the CIA to the of...Show More

1:11:03 | Feb 16th

Something a little different on the podcast today: the launch of a special series—the Culper Partners Rule of Law Series. David Kris and Nates Jones, the founders of the Culper Partners consulting firm, have recorded a limited-edition podcast series ...Show More

52:23 | Feb 13th

On March 29, in approximately six weeks, the United Kingdom is scheduled to crash out of the European Union. As of the date of this podcast, there is no deal governing how that exit will work. To understand the stakes, Benjamin Wittes sat down last w...Show More

1:05:56 | Feb 10th

After the Democrats on the House Judiciary Committee assured that he would be allowed to appear voluntarily, Acting Attorney General Matthew Whitaker gave testimony on Friday before the panel on oversight of the department he has led since Jeff Sessi...Show More

1:23:00 | Feb 9th

From the increasing development of autonomous weapons systems to the expansion of the traditional battlefield to cyber and outer space, the evolution of warfare invites ethical and legal questions about what the future holds. In November 2018, Arnold...Show More

52:35 | Feb 6th

Many critics of Donald Trump’s foreign policy say the president has undermined the liberal international order, but some progressives question whether liberal internationalism was worthwhile to begin with. On Sunday, Jack Goldsmith had a conversation...Show More

06:26 | Feb 4th

In the wake of Roger Stone’s arrest on Jan. 25, 2019, Chuck Rosenberg, a longtime U.S. federal law enforcement official, explained on Lawfare why the tactics used during the arrest were wholly appropriate. Nonetheless, some politicians, including th...Show More

54:26 | Feb 2nd

Last week, as part of the Hoover Institution’s “Security by the Book” series, Jack Goldsmith spoke with Herb Lin and Amy Zegart, co-directors of the Stanford Cyber Policy Program. Lin and Zegart edited a volume on offensive cyber operations entitled:...Show More

15:23 | Jan 31st

While researching the Watergate Road Map, Benjamin Wittes discovered a letter written by the then-Chairman of the House Committee on the Judiciary Peter Rodino to the chief judge of the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia. In the lette...Show More

12:25 | Jan 30th

On Tuesday, the Senate Intelligence Committee heard testimony on global threats to U.S. national security from six heads of intelligence agencies: Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats, CIA Director Gina Haspel, FBI Director Christopher Wray, N...Show More

37:32 | Jan 29th

With the Democrats taking control of the House of Representatives, the 116th Congress is expected to be one of vigorous oversight of the executive branch, complete with requests for documents and for testimony from executive branch officials. But how...Show More

51:04 | Jan 26th

On a flight recently, Benjamin Wittes read a book that knocked his socks off: "The Rhetorical Presidency" by political scientist Jeffrey Tulis. Ben got on the phone with Jeffrey Tulis to talk about the book, how the speaking style of presidents c...Show More

51:04 | Jan 23rd

It's a new year with a new Congress, and the Democrats now control the House of Representatives. But how will that change affect the state of play for national security legal issues? To find out, Benjamin Wittes spoke last Friday with Brookings senio...Show More

2:01:25 | Jan 16th

Bill Barr spent Tuesday testifying before the Senate Judiciary Committee on his nomination to take over the reins of the Justice Department as attorney general, a role he previously held during the George H.W. Bush administration. Barr spent more tha...Show More

1:03:57 | Jan 12th

Benjamin Wittes talks to Carrie Cordero, Chuck Rosenberg, David Kris, Jack Goldsmith and Susan Hennessey about the New York Times's report that the FBI opened a counterintelligence investigation of Donald Trump after the president fired Director Jame...Show More

43:36 | Jan 12th

Last week, Jack Goldsmith got on the phone with Pulitzer Prize-winning Washington Post journalist Greg Miller to discuss Miller’s new book, “The Apprentice: Trump, Russia and the Subversion of American Democracy.” Miller’s book chronicles Russia’s ef...Show More

29:24 | Jan 9th

Benjamin Wittes talks to Jaimie Nawaday, a former federal prosecutor in the Southern District of New York, to discuss the indictment of Natalia Veselnitskaya over alleged obstruction of justice in a case Nawaday handled. Nawaday talks about Russian a...Show More
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35:36 | Jan 8th

The Russian government's recent arrest of American Paul Whelan and its charges against him have many politicians and pundits speculating about the possibility of an intended spy swap for Maria Butina. There's a lot going on here, but there's also a l...Show More
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51:15 | Jan 5th

The murder of Heather Heyer in Charlottesville in 2017 and other recent events have drawn into the public discourse the fact that domestic terrorism is not a crime in and of itself. Earlier this week, Benjamin Wittes sat down with two experts on dome...Show More
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1:28:48 | Dec 29th, 2018

For this end-of-the-year episode of the Lawfare Podcast, we wanted to hear from you and get your voice on the podcast. You called us with questions, you tweeted your questions using #LawfareAMA, and Benjamin Wittes, Scott Anderson, Bob Bauer, Bobby C...Show More
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1:05:56 | Dec 22nd, 2018

This week, President Trump made the unexpected announcement that he was immediately withdrawing U.S. troops from Syria. To help us make sense of all that has happened over the last 72 hours, Lawfare's Scott R. Anderson sat down on Friday with a panel...Show More
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34:14 | Dec 19th, 2018

Since leaving government, Priess has become a historian of national security, intelligence, and the presidency, most recently writing on the history of presidential removal in the book "How to Get Rid of a President: History's Guide to Removing Unpop...Show More
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41:00 | Dec 15th, 2018

Last week, Senator Mark Warner of Virginia addressed a crowd at the Center for New American Security (CNAS), offering what he called a “New Doctrine for Cyberwarfare & Information Operations.” Sen. Warner currently serves as the Vice Chairman of the ...Show More
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1:00:38 | Dec 12th, 2018

Ben Wittes sat down with Gregory Johnsen, a former member of the U.N. Security Council Panel of Experts on Yemen, to do a deep dive on the conflict in Yemen. Joining them was Daniel Byman, senior fellow at the Brookings Institution’s Center for Middl...Show More
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42:30 | Dec 8th, 2018

On Jan. 3, Democrats will take control of the House and all of its committees. Congressman Adam Schiff, the current ranking member on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence (HPSCI), is expected to take control of the committee. This wee...Show More
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58:44 | Dec 6th, 2018

Today Benjamin Wittes got on the phone with former U.S. attorney and podcast empresario Preet Bharara to discuss a recent report Preet has published along with the National Task Force on Rule of Law & Democracy, a group which Preet co-chairs along w...Show More
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1:16:35 | Dec 5th, 2018

In August, legal and technical experts gathered in Santa Barbara for the Crypto 2018 Workshop on Encryption and Surveillance to further the ongoing debate over the impact of strong encryption and law enforcement surveillance capabilities. On this epi...Show More
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1:08:19 | Nov 29th, 2018

Thursday saw another plea deal from Michael Cohen: this time with Special Counsel Robert Mueller. Cohen pleaded guilty to one count of lying to Congress regarding how long into the 2016 campaign the Trump Organization sought to build Trump Tower in M...Show More
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53:44 | Nov 27th, 2018

This week, Russia and Ukraine went at it in the Kerch Strait, which separates the Black Sea from the Sea of Azov. It's the latest salvo in Russia's (not-so-secret) war against Ukraine and its eastern provinces. To understand it all, Ben Wittes spo...Show More
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55:59 | Nov 24th, 2018

In his new book with Garrett Graff, called “Dawn of the Code War,” John Carlin explains the cyber conflicts the U.S. faces and how the government fights back. Benjamin Wittes sat down with Carlin last week to talk about the book. They talked about ab...Show More
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49:55 | Nov 21st, 2018

Earlier this year, just as the United States was preparing to kick-off its national elections, the country of Iraq was finalizing the results of its own and finally installing a new government after months of debate. To understand what this new gove...Show More
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43:33 | Nov 17th, 2018

Following the #NatSecGirlSquad’s first conference, Benjamin Wittes sat down with Jung Pak before a live audience at the Bier Baron in Washington, DC. Jung is a senior fellow in the Brookings Institution’s Foreign Policy program and a long-time North ...Show More
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57:55 | Nov 14th, 2018

On October 23, the Brookings Center on the United States and Europe hosted a panel discussion on the endgame of the Brexit negotiations with Sir Kim Darroch, Britain’s ambassador to the United States; Amanda Sloat, senior fellow at Brookings; Douglas...Show More
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31:46 | Nov 10th, 2018

On Tuesday morning, Ben Wittes sat down with Paul Rosenzweig to discuss Paul’s recent 12-part lecture series on presidential investigations released through the online educational platform The Great Courses. They talked about how Paul structured ...Show More
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57:16 | Nov 8th, 2018

President Trump fired Attorney General Jeff Sessions on Wednesday and replaced him on an interim basis with the attorney general’s own chief of staff, a man named Matt Whitaker. Whitaker has made repeated public statements expressing skepticism about...Show More
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39:49 | Nov 2nd, 2018

The rate and intensity of cyber attacks on financial institutions has increased in recent years, but the risk that these attacks pose to our financial stability remains understudied. On October 11, Susan Hennessey spoke to three senior research schol...Show More
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58:51 | Oct 31st, 2018

To shed light on the complicated dynamic of the conflict in Yemen, on October 25, the Center for Middle East Policy at Brookings hosted a panel discussion on U.S. policy in Yemen, featuring Brookings senior fellows Daniel Byman and Bruce Riedel, form...Show More
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44:41 | Oct 27th, 2018

On Friday, Benjamin Wittes caught up with Stephanie Leutert to talk about her time on the Mexico-Guatemala border traveling with migrants who are following a trail not unlike that of the caravan. They talked about why people are joining this caravan...Show More
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47:05 | Oct 24th, 2018

Last week, Ben Wittes met up with András Pap, a Hungarian scholar of constitutional law. Pap is a professor with Central European University’s Nationalist Studies Program in Budapest, and the two spoke about the decline of Hungarian democracy. They t...Show More
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39:01 | Oct 19th, 2018

In recent decades, both democratic and republican administrations have tried to guide other countries toward liberal democracy. But John Mearsheimer’s latest book, “The Great Delusion: Liberal Dreams and International Realties,” says that strategy ha...Show More
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42:17 | Oct 17th, 2018

On October 3, Benjamin Wittes co-hosted an event with his Brookings colleague, Norm Eisen, on The State of Rule of Law in the U.S. Ben moderated a panel on national security and law enforcement with Lawfare contributor and long-time Department of Jus...Show More
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58:26 | Oct 13th, 2018

Back in January, Benjamin Wittes sat down with Mike Doran to discuss his support of President Trump and dismissal of the Trump-Russia allegations and the investigation of L’Affaire Russe. Earlier this week, the two sat down again over Scotch to t...Show More
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59:11 | Oct 10th, 2018

How is the US-EU relationship faring in the age of tariffs, presidential blusters, Brexit, and tensions over Iran sanctions? To figure that out, Shannon Togawa Mercer and Benjamin Wittes spoke to David O'Sullivan, the EU Ambassador to the United S...Show More
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33:57 | Oct 6th, 2018

On Wednesday, Benjamin Wittes sat down with Mark Risher, Director of Product Management for Security and Privacy for Google, to talk about how his team is thinking about the current and future threats posed by malicious cyber actors. They discusse...Show More
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26:59 | Oct 3rd, 2018

Anna Salvatore is the impresario behind the High School SCOTUS blog. She got in touch with Benjamin Wittes a number of months ago asking for an interview, and produced a fascinating character study of him. On Tuesday, Ben returned the favor. Anna joi...Show More
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1:00:56 | Sep 29th, 2018

On Wednesday, Brookings Senior Fellow Robert Kagan sat down with Susan Glasser of 'The New Yorker' to discuss Kagan's new book 'The Jungle Grows Back: America and Our Imperiled World.' Kagan and Glasser discussed whether the American public tends to ...Show More
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46:44 | Sep 25th, 2018

The United States has become the global leader in both defense and private-sector AI. Inevitably, this has led to an environment in which adversary and ally governments alike may seek to identify and steal AI information. Jim Baker sat down with B...Show More
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45:20 | Sep 22nd, 2018

Over the last several years, the People’s Republic of China has built up an aggressive state-driven campaign to accelerate the development of quantum technology—a set of policies intended to put it at the very front of the pack of the next technologi...Show More
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42:54 | Sep 18th, 2018

Security technologist Bruce Schneier's latest book, Click Here to Kill Everybody: Security and Survival in a Hyper-connected World, argues that it won't be long before everything modern society relies on will be computerized and on the internet. Benj...Show More
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49:22 | Sep 14th, 2018

On Friday, former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort entered a plea agreement with the special counsel. To figure out what it means for Manafort, the Mueller investigation, and President Trump, Benjamin Wittes spoke to former Obama White House cou...Show More
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47:59 | Sep 12th, 2018

On September 4, at the Center on National Security at Fordham Law, Representative Jerrold Nadler, the top Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee, and former CIA Director John Brennan, both outspoken critics of the president, sat down for a convers...Show More
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2:43:14 | Sep 7th, 2018

Brett Kavanaugh spent Thursday in front of the Senate Judiciary Committee for his second day of marathon questioning about his qualifications to join the Supreme Court. But on this podcast, we cut down more than 8 hours of testimony to bring you only...Show More
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2:12:34 | Sep 6th, 2018

Judge Brett Kavanaugh faced the Senate Judiciary Committee in Day 1 of a two-day marathon Q&A session for his nomination as an associate justice of the Supreme Court. We sat through it all so you don't have to. We've cut out all the garbage and are b...Show More
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36:57 | Sep 1st, 2018

The NYT reports that CIA human sources in Moscow are drying up, speculating that this may be because of the political environment in the United States. John Sipher joined Benjamin Wittes in the Jungle Studio to talk about the fragility of CIA oper...Show More
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56:38 | Aug 29th, 2018

What is appropriate for intelligence community leaders to say about the president? What is going too far? What is outside their lane? And what is required by the current moment when intelligence community leaders face a rogue elephant of a president ...Show More
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34:31 | Aug 25th, 2018

There are three people in the world who have interviewed a sitting president as part of a grand jury investigation. On Thursday, Benjamin Wittes sat down with one of them—Solomon Wisenberg—to discuss Wisenberg's experience interviewing Bill Clinton, ...Show More
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47:57 | Aug 21st, 2018

What a weird weekend it has been. The Manafort jury is deliberating, the White House lawyer is cooperating with the special prosecutor and giving 30 hours of interview about presidential conduct, and Michael Cohen seems poised to either be indicted o...Show More
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30:10 | Aug 17th, 2018

The President of the United States this week stripped the former CIA Director John Brennan of his security clearance in a dramatic White House statement by Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders. The White House is threatening more adverse security c...Show More
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35:03 | Aug 13th, 2018

Canada and Saudi Arabia have been at loggerheads over the past week ever since the Canadian Foreign Minister condemned Saudi Arabia’s arrest of Samar Badawi, a human rights activist. Saudi Arabia's reactions were extreme, including expelling the Cana...Show More
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41:03 | Aug 11th, 2018

There’s a new twist in one of the stranger subplots of L’Affaire Russe: Buzzfeed News reports that Peter Smith, a Republican operative who reportedly sought to obtain missing Hillary Clinton emails during the 2016 presidential campaign, made several ...Show More
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43:25 | Aug 8th, 2018

Encryption usually takes center stage in debates over digital evidence, and the sensitivities around the issue often halt discussions before reaching practical solutions. But the CSIS recently unveiled a new report detailing solutions to other, less-...Show More
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44:41 | Aug 4th, 2018

Technologies that distort representations of reality, like audio, photo, and video editing software, are nothing new, but what happens when these technologies are paired with AI to produce hyper-realistic media of things that never happened? Klon Kit...Show More
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54:37 | Aug 1st, 2018

For years, Shane Harris of The Washington Post has been fascinated with the search for extraterrestrial life in the universe. But that search raises a profound question: Should we try to communicate with aliens? On July 12, Shane moderated a conversa...Show More
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41:38 | Jul 28th, 2018

The British government is falling apart, Brexit talks are on the rocks, and into the maelstrom walks Donald Trump to walk in front of the Queen after having tea with her. To talk it through, Benjamin Wittes sat down with Tom Wright, Amanda Sloat, an...Show More
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56:21 | Jul 25th, 2018

Justice Kennedy's resignation and the nomination of Judge Brett Kavanaugh as his replacement promises to usher in a new era of the U.S. Supreme Court, not least in the areas of foreign relations and national security law. To hash out what these chang...Show More
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57:55 | Jul 21st, 2018

On Tuesday, Lawfare senior editor Shannon Togawa Mercer sat down with Jennifer Hillman, former World Trade Organization Appellate Body member, commissioner on the United States international Trade Commission, and general counsel at the Office of the ...Show More
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40:23 | Jul 18th, 2018

On Monday, Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin met in Helsinki for their first one-on-one summit, where the U.S. president said that he trusted the Russian president's denial of election interference over his own intelligence community. To break down wha...Show More
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59:32 | Jul 14th, 2018

On Friday, Special Counsel Robert Mueller indicted 12 Russian intelligence officers for their role in the theft and dissemination of documents from the DNC, the DCCC and the Clinton campaign during the 2016 election. Susan Hennessey, David Kris, Paul...Show More
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40:12 | Jul 11th, 2018

#AbolishICE is the hashtag that has proliferated all over Twitter. Paul Rosenzweig, former policy guru at DHS where he supervised immigration matters, and Carrie Cordero, who has been actively engaged on the subject recently, joined Benjamin Wittes t...Show More
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21:37 | Jul 7th, 2018

It's been a bad week for Polish democracy, with the government removing a bunch of judges from the country's Supreme Court in order to replace them with party loyalists. In response, protestors took to the streets to push back against the deconsolida...Show More
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36:28 | Jul 3rd, 2018

Recep Tayyip Erdoğan won the Turkish election the other day, and becomes the first president under Turkey's new empowered presidential system. His party will control the Parliament as well, so it's a big win for the Turkish president. On Tuesday, Ben...Show More
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47:36 | Jun 30th, 2018

On June 22, the Supreme Court released its long-awaited ruling in Carpenter v. United States, a case challenging whether law enforcement agencies need a search warrant to acquire the history of a cell phone's location from a wireless provider. On Thu...Show More
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46:15 | Jun 27th, 2018

On Monday, Benjamin Wittes spoke with Stephanie Leutert, director of the Mexico Security Initiative at The University of Texas at Austin, who has spent the past several weeks in the field studying the flow of migrants from Central America into Mexico...Show More
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52:08 | Jun 22nd, 2018

Gen. Michael Hayden has served as the head of both the CIA and NSA—and he says that intelligence is under attack. In his latest book, “The Assault on Intelligence” Gen. Hayden argues that in what he calls a post-truth world, the United States needs i...Show More
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32:40 | Jun 20th, 2018

From manufacturing to healthcare, and from criminal justice to national security, artificial intelligence is changing nearly every sector of the global economy and many aspects of our public and private lives. Last Tuesday, as part of the A. Alfred T...Show More
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56:50 | Jun 16th, 2018

This week, Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz released a gigantic report on the FBI's handling of the Clinton emails matter/investigation during the 2016 election cycle. On Friday, Benjamin Wittes got together with Quinta Jurecic, ...Show More
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41:56 | Jun 12th, 2018

On Tuesday, in Singapore, after doubts about whether the Summit would happen, President Trump met for several hours with North Korean Leader Kim Jong Un, culminating in a joint declaration between the two heads of state. Just after the declaration dr...Show More
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44:38 | Jun 8th, 2018

Economic welfare and national security have never been mutually exclusive, but trade has factored into the national security discourse prominently in recent days, with the administration announcing tariffs on steel and aluminum imports in the name of...Show More
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50:59 | Jun 5th, 2018

Former FBI agent and Army officer Clint Watts has spent years hunting down terrorists and Russian disinformation on the Internet in his spare time. On Monday, he sat down with Benjamin Wittes in the Jungle Studio for a conversation about how terroris...Show More
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1:15:08 | Jun 2nd, 2018

CFIUS plays an essential role in advising the president on how to exercise his or her authority to block foreign investments that might let United States' adversaries acquire sensitive American technology or intellectual property. On Thursday, the Ce...Show More
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1:18:42 | May 30th, 2018

In January 2017, Donald Trump inherited a complex, multifaceted counterterrorism campaign, and since taking office, he has escalated it rhetorically and operationally. On Tuesday, New America convened a panel with Joshua Geltzer and Luke Hartig, both...Show More
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46:53 | May 26th, 2018

Vladimir Milov is the current economic advisor to Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny, and the former deputy minister of energy in the Russian government. This week, Milov spoke to Alina Polyakova about the Russian economy, the recent Cabinet re...Show More
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41:11 | May 22nd, 2018

Bob Bauer, Jack Goldsmith and David Kris join Benjamin Wittes to discuss the sequence of events between the Justice Department, the FBI, the House intelligence committee and the White House over the last few days and the resolution arranged at the Wh...Show More
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52:16 | May 18th, 2018

The past week saw the culmination of a major shift in US policy as the United States formally opened its embassy in Jerusalem. Yet ongoing protests along the border with the Gaza Strip and the Israeli government’s harsh response have provided a sharp...Show More
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27:20 | May 17th, 2018

Benjamin Wittes speaks to Buzzfeed reporter Anthony Cormier about his latest story, co-authored with Jason Leopold, about the negotiations to build a Trump Tower in Moscow.
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1:02:45 | May 15th, 2018

In her new book, "Habeas Corpus in Wartime," Amanda Tyler presents a comprehensive account of the legal and political history of habeas corpus in wartime in the Anglo-American legal tradition. On Monday, Benjamin Wittes sat down with Tyler at the Hoo...Show More
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1:20:19 | May 11th, 2018

Benjamin Wittes speaks to former FBI director James Comey before a live audience at the Brookings Institution.
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1:15:07 | May 10th, 2018

On Wednesday, Gina Haspel, President Trump's nominee to lead the CIA, testified for two-and-a-half hours on her nomination before the Senate intelligence committee. We cut out all the opening statements, all of the repeated questions, and in this epi...Show More
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42:43 | May 8th, 2018

Gina Haspel, the CIA's current deputy director, goes before the Senate Intelligence Committee tomorrow, May 9, 2018, for confirmation as the CIA's director. Shane Harris of The Washington Post recently produced a lengthy and detailed profile of Haspe...Show More
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42:19 | May 4th, 2018

Only a few months ago, President Donald Trump threatened to rain fire and fury on North Korea and Kim Jong Un’s missiles were crashing into the ocean. Now, President Donald Trump is preparing for a summit with the North Korean leader. To understand w...Show More
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53:57 | May 2nd, 2018

Steven Levitsky and Daniel Ziblatt talk to Benjamin Wittes about their new book, "How Democracies Die."
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46:13 | Apr 28th, 2018

At Georgetown Law, Matt Axelrod, Bob Bauer, John Bellinger, Jack Goldsmith, and Don Verrilli reflect on the norms that govern contact between the White House and the Justice Department, how the Trump administration has broken them, and what can be do...Show More
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41:27 | Apr 24th, 2018

Eric Rosenbach moderates a conversation between former homeland security adviser Lisa Monaco and current Colorado Secretary of State Wayne Williams on election security.
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46:59 | Apr 20th, 2018

Last week, Sens. Bob Corker and Tim Kaine introduced a proposal to reshape the legal authorization for U.S. counterterrorism operations abroad. On Thursday, Susan Hennessey sat down with Bobby Chesney, co-founder of Lawfare and professor at the Unive...Show More
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51:51 | Apr 18th, 2018

Former Estonian President Toomas Ilves sits down with Benjamin Wittes and Megan Reiss to talk about the use of social media by the presidents of the United States and Estonia, election interference, cybersecurity cooperation, and the digitization of ...Show More
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47:17 | Apr 14th, 2018

All week, President Trump has promised airstrikes in response to the Assad regime’s use of chemical weapons, but so far nothing has come. Does this mean he’s having second thoughts? Or is this simply the calm before the storm? On Friday afternoon, Sc...Show More
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47:54 | Apr 11th, 2018

The idea of proxy conflict dates to the Cold War and earlier, but Tim Maurer’s new book “Cyber Mercenaries: The State, Hackers, and Power” makes one of the first forays into proxy conflict in cyberspace. Last week, Maurer sat down with Lawfare Editor...Show More
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41:59 | Apr 6th, 2018

Vladimir Kara-Murza is the vice chairman of Open Russia, founder of the Boris Nemtsov Foundation and a contributing opinion writer for the Washington Post. On Wednesday, Kara-Murza spoke to Alina Polyakova about last month's presidential elections in...Show More
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28:41 | Apr 4th, 2018

The Washington Post reports this evening that: "Mueller told Trump’s attorneys the president remains under investigation but is not currently a criminal target." The report comes the same day as Alex van der Zwaan was sentenced to 30 days in jail for...Show More
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41:19 | Apr 3rd, 2018

Bobby Chesney, Matt Tait and Steve Vladeck speak at the University of Texas at Austin School of Law on "War, Law and Cyberspace."
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49:04 | Mar 30th, 2018

Chimène Keitner speaks to Scott Anderson about her experience as international law counselor at the State Department and the future of the department after Secretary Rex Tillerson's departure.
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40:24 | Mar 27th, 2018

Jack Goldsmith interviews Niall Ferguson about Ferguson's latest book, "The Square and the Tower: Networks, Hierarchies, and the Struggle for Power."
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50:13 | Mar 24th, 2018

Jack Goldsmith talks to Yale Law School professor Amy Chua about her new book, "Political Tribes: Group Instinct and the Fate of Nations," at the Hoover Book Soiree.
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41:47 | Mar 21st, 2018

Shortly before last Sunday's election in Russia, Alina Polyakova spoke to Liza Osetinskaya, editor of The Bell and former editor of Forbes Russia and independent Russian news agency RBC. They discussed the Kremlin’s approach to censorship and how the...Show More
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32:34 | Mar 16th, 2018

Matthew Kahn speaks to John Feerick, dean emeritus of Fordham Law School and an adviser to the congressional committees that drafted the 25th Amendment.
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38:51 | Mar 14th, 2018

Last week, former Secretary of Homeland Security Jeh Johnson addressed the Boston Conference on Cybersecurity in a speech titled "Cyberspace is the New Battlespace." The next day, Secretary Johnson sat down with Harvard Law professor and Lawfare co-f...Show More
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46:39 | Mar 10th, 2018

Benjamin Wittes speaks to Yascha Mounk about his new book: 'The People vs. Democracy: Why Our Freedom Is in Danger and How to Save It."
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51:18 | Mar 7th, 2018

Benjamin Wittes interviews Max Boot on Boot's new book, "The Road Not Taken," for the Hoover Book Soiree.
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40:11 | Mar 2nd, 2018

Alina Polyakova speaks to Zhanna Nemtsova about the life and political legacy of her father, Boris Nemtsov. Learn more about Nemtsova's work at nemtsovfund.org.
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22:04 | Feb 28th, 2018

Benjamin Wittes speaks to "Daily Show" writer Dan Radosh about his latest sitcom, "Liberty Crossing," a workplace comedy about intelligence analysts at the National Counterterrorism Center.
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44:37 | Feb 23rd, 2018

Benjamin Wittes speaks to Judge Stephen Williams about his new book "The Reformer: How One Liberal Fought to Preempt the Russian Revolution," the story of Vasily Maklakov and the virtues of political moderation.
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38:38 | Feb 21st, 2018

The military has been not been a refuge from the Trump administration's norm-defying nature. This week, Jack Goldsmith speaks to Phil Carter, a senior fellow at the Center for a New American Security, about the history of civil-military relations, ep...Show More
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41:53 | Feb 17th, 2018

On Friday, Special Counsel Robert Mueller indicted thirteen Russian nationals and three Russian entities involved in efforts to interfere in the U.S. political system, including the 2016 presidential election. Lawfare's Benjamin Wittes discusses what...Show More
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1:30:00 | Feb 9th, 2018

In his recent New York Times bestseller “Trumpocracy: The Corruption of the American Republic,” David Frum, senior editor of The Atlantic, lays out a compelling account of how President Donald Trump’s tendencies could push the United States toward th...Show More
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43:41 | Feb 3rd, 2018

On Friday, Rep. Devin Nunes, the House intelligence committee chairman, released a controversial and long-awaited memo alleging surveillance abuses by the Justice Department and FBI against Carter Page, a former foreign policy adviser to the Trump ca...Show More
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46:28 | Jan 30th, 2018

Last week, CIA Director Mike Pompeo visited the American Enterprise Institute to join AEI Resident Fellow Marc Thiessen for a conversation to reflect on his first year running the agency and his vision for 2018 and beyond. They discussed the challeng...Show More
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44:47 | Jan 27th, 2018

Lawfare contributor and University of Texas law professor Stephen Vladeck argued before the Supreme Court last week in United States v. Dalmazzi, a case concerning the appointment of military judges to the Court of Military Commission Review and the ...Show More
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35:14 | Jan 26th, 2018

The New York Times Thursday evening is reporting that back in June, President Trump tried to fire Special Counsel Robert Mueller—but couldn't quite pull it off. We, however, pulled off a special edition of the podcast to go over the story. Joining Be...Show More
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1:00:46 | Jan 23rd, 2018

It may seem like ages ago, but the false alarm about a missile heading towards Hawaii hasn't left our minds. Last week, Shannon Togawa Mercer interviewed a group of experts on the event: Stephan Haggard, political science professor at the University ...Show More
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45:16 | Jan 20th, 2018

This week on the Lawfare Podcast, the Guardian's Moscow correspondent Shaun Walker joined special guest host Alina Polyakova to discuss his new book "The Long Hangover: Putin's New Russia and the Ghosts of the Past." They discussed Putin's use of Rus...Show More
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34:20 | Jan 17th, 2018

Buzzfeed News has published a lengthy story by reporters Jason Leopold and Anthony Cormier entitled, "Investigators Are Scrutinizing Newly Uncovered Payments By The Russian Embassy." The story reports on an unusual set of wire transfers and movements...Show More
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50:26 | Jan 13th, 2018

This week, Shannon Togawa Mercer and Benjamin Wittes interviewed David Anderson QC, who served as the Independent Reviewer of Terrorism Legislation in the U.K. from 2011 to 2017. Anderson has appeared 150 times in the E.U.'s Court of Justice and the ...Show More
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47:10 | Jan 9th, 2018

Behind the legend of Vladimir Putin, which America’s obsession with Russia’s meddling in the 2016 elections has only bolstered, hides a complex political landscape, history and—of course—president. To dispel the myth behind Russia’s president and exp...Show More
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52:47 | Jan 6th, 2018

Part II of the conversation between Michael Doran and Benjamin Wittes. Doran, a former Brookings scholar now at the Hudson Institute, served in the George W. Bush White House, at the State Department, and at the Pentagon. The first part of the conver...Show More
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50:18 | Jan 5th, 2018

This evening, the New York Times published a story with new details of significance to Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation regarding the President and obstruction of justice. Michael Schmidt reports, among other news, that President Trump ...Show More
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41:58 | Jan 2nd, 2018

Michael Doran and Benjamin Wittes have an extended conversation about Trump, Russia, and how Doran parted ways with his many colleagues who became #NeverTrump conservatives. Doran is a former Brookings scholar now at the Hudson Institute who served i...Show More
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46:12 | Dec 30th, 2017

As we wrap up 2017, we wanted to listen to you, our listeners. In this year-end episode of the Lawfare Podcast, Lawfare contributors took your questions by voicemail and answered them on the show. Susan Hennessey, Tamara Cofman Wittes and Scott Ander...Show More
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41:55 | Dec 23rd, 2017

As the year is coming to a close, Congress has now missed the deadline for reauthorizing FISA Section 702. Molly Reynolds, a Brookings fellow in Governance Studies and expert on Congress, joined Benjamin Wittes and Susan Hennessey for a conversation ...Show More
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40:00 | Dec 20th, 2017

Last week, a Bangladeshi man set off a pipe bomb in the New York subway in an attempted terrorist attack inspired by the Islamic State. C. Christine Fair, a professor in Georgetown University’s Peace and Security Studies Program, joined Benjamin Witt...Show More
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38:37 | Dec 16th, 2017

President James Madison shaped the course of American history in not one, not two, but three different and foundational roles in the formation of the young republic. He was a drafter of the constitution, a leader of the Democratic-Republican party, a...Show More
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52:42 | Dec 12th, 2017

Saria Samakie has a story unlike those of most of his peers at Georgetown. After being kidnapped three times in Syria, Samakie managed to flee the war-ravaged country and eventually arrived in the United States. Arne Duncan, a Brookings nonresident s...Show More
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45:34 | Dec 9th, 2017

When the Department of Justice required RT, the Russian-funded news outlet, to register as a foreign agent last month, the Russian government responded in kind. Yet the Kremlin's recent crackdown on Western media is part of a longer history of stifli...Show More
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43:13 | Dec 5th, 2017

The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, America’s longtime ally in the Middle East, faces a tumultuous future. Plummeting oil prices, an ongoing royal purge, and Yemen’s civil war across the border have thrust the kingdom into a domestic and international maels...Show More
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38:04 | Dec 1st, 2017

Former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn pleaded guilty today and agreed to cooperate with Special Counsel Robert Mueller. We put together an all-star panel to talk it through. Lawfare contributors Orin Kerr, Stewart Baker, Steve Vladeck, and P...Show More
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38:18 | Nov 29th, 2017

The Supreme Court heard oral arguments Wednesday in Carpenter v. United States, a major Fourth Amendment case asking whether a warrant is necessary before law enforcement can obtain cell site data identifying a suspect phone's location from a service...Show More
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47:41 | Nov 25th, 2017

Putin’s government is often painted as an all powerful, centralized regime. But, in reality, it’s far from that: in Russia’s Far East, Moscow is either resented or disregarded by many, and the security services are the only agents fully loyal to Mosc...Show More
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41:53 | Nov 21st, 2017

The relationship between Thomas Jefferson and John Adams largely shaped the course of the newly-formed United States of America. Historian Gordon Wood examined this relationship and its effect on America’s future in his new book “Friends Divided: Joh...Show More
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37:19 | Nov 18th, 2017

On Wednesday, Zimbabwe's military placed President Robert Mugabe under house arrest and took over state institutions in what is largely considered a military coup. Naunihal Singh, author of "Seizing Power: The Strategic Logic of Military Coups" and p...Show More
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51:27 | Nov 14th, 2017

Discussion on impeachment has intensified since Donald Trump assumed office this January, but what do we know about impeachment’s constitutional design and history? Cass Sunstein, professor at Harvard Law School, recently wrote an accessible account ...Show More
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52:08 | Nov 12th, 2017

Matters Russia have been prevalent in U.S. politics since news of the Kremlin’s meddling in the 2016 elections first surfaced. It's time to pay some serious attention to the Russian surveillance apparatus. Andrei Soldatov, a Russian investigative jou...Show More
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1:03:55 | Nov 10th, 2017

The Wall Street Journal this morning broke a major story: Special Counsel Robert Mueller is investigating President Trump's former national security advisor, Gen. Michael Flynn, for allegedly plotting with Turkish officials to arrange the extrajudici...Show More
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47:12 | Nov 7th, 2017

Technology presents both consumer convenience and risk, creating a conflict between security and privacy as government agencies seek to weaken the protections that consumers want heightened. Cybersecurity expert and advocate of liberal encryption pol...Show More
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41:09 | Nov 3rd, 2017

Political polarization, inequality, and corruption during the period 146 to 78 BC gravely weakened the Roman Republic in the years before its collapse. In his new book “The Storm Before the Storm: The Beginning of the End of the Late Republic,” podca...Show More
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26:05 | Nov 1st, 2017

Stalin’s 1929 agricultural collectivization policy, which catalyzed the most lethal famine in European history, left millions of Ukrainian peasants dead. Pulitzer Prize-winning author and journalist Anne Applebaum recently published a book on this fa...Show More
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33:23 | Oct 31st, 2017

What a day. Paul Manafort Jr. and Richard Gates III have been indicted by Special Counsel Robert Mueller, who today also rolled out a plea deal with Trump campaign advisor George Papadopoulos. Lawfare contributing editors Paul Rosenzweig, who worked ...Show More
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54:30 | Oct 27th, 2017

This week marked the launch of the Texas National Security Review, a new publication from the University of Texas and War on the Rocks. At the recent launch event of the journal, War on the Rocks editor-in-chief Ryan Evans moderated a conversation wi...Show More