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Is modern society making us depressed?

1:31:07 | Apr 16th, 2018

“What if depression is, in fact, a form of grief — for our own lives not being as they should?” asks Johann Hari. “What if it is a form of grief for the connections we have lost yet still need?” In his new book, Lost Connections, Hari advances an ...Show More

Rebecca Traister: Women's rage is transforming America

1:10:08 | Oct 4th, 2018

Why did Christine Blasey Ford have to smile and politely ask for breaks while Brett Kavanaugh could rage at the cameras and dismiss the hearings as a farce? The answer is in Rebecca Traister’s essential, perfectly timed new book, Good and Mad: The...Show More

What Ellen Pao saw coming

1:10:44 | Jun 18th, 2018

Ellen Pao had a rough 2015. She lost her high-profile gender discrimination lawsuit against Kleiner Perkins, one of Silicon Valley’s biggest and most powerful venture capital firms. She also stepped down as CEO of Reddit after a tumultuous tenure in ...Show More

Yuval Harari, author of “Sapiens,” on AI, religion, and 60-day meditation retreats

1:07:04 | Feb 28th, 2017

Yuval Noah Harari’s first book, “Sapiens,” was an international sensation. The Israeli historian’s mind-bending tour through the trump of Homo sapiens is a favorite of, among others, Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, and Barack Obama. His new book, Homo D...Show More

Mark Zuckerberg on Facebook’s hardest year, and what comes next

49:02 | Apr 2nd, 2018

It’s been a tough year for Facebook. The social networking juggernaut found itself engulfed by controversies over fake news, electoral interference, privacy violations, and a broad backlash to smartphone addiction. Wall Street has noticed: the compan...Show More

Sean Decatur doesn’t see a free speech crisis on campus

1:20:43 | Jan 17th

Sean Decatur is the president of Kenyon College and the first African-American to hold that job. He’s also one of the most thoughtful voices in the debate over free speech and political correctness on campus."Colleges and universities have been charg...Show More

Cal Newport has an answer for digital burnout

1:11:43 | Jan 14th

Cal Newport suspects you’re a digital maximalist — someone who believes that any potential for benefit is reason enough to start using a new technology. Don’t feel bad. That’s how most of us are. That’s how society teaches us to be.Newport wants us t...Show More

Adam Serwer on white political correctness

51:12 | Dec 10th, 2018

“What a society finds offensive is not a function of fact or truth,” writes Adam Serwer, “but of power.” Serwer is a writer at the Atlantic, and he’s been looking at the identity politics and political correctness debates from a direction that’s t...Show More

How Democracies Die

1:15:25 | Jan 29th, 2018

The year is young, but Steven Levitsky and Daniel Ziblatt’s How Democracies Die is going to be one of its most important books. It will be read as a commentary on Donald Trump, which is fair enough, because the book is, in part, a commentary on Donal...Show More

Evan Osnos on the North Korea crisis, Trump’s mental health, and China's rise

1:24:45 | Nov 6th, 2017

Evan Osnos is the author of the National Book Award-winning The Age of Ambition: Chasing Fortune, Truth, and Faith in the New China, as well as a staff writer at the New Yorker. And he’s recently back from a trip to North Korea, where he learned how ...Show More

The core contradiction of American politics

1:09:09 | Feb 11th

The Republican and Democratic parties are not the same. I’ll say it again: The Republican and Democratic parties are not the same.I don’t just mean they believe different things. I mean they’re composed in different ways, they argue from different pr...Show More

The world according to Ralph Nader

1:26:02 | Feb 4th

Ralph Nader needs no introduction. But if your knowledge of Nader mostly consists of his 2000 campaign for the presidency, his career does demand some context. Nader is one of America’s truly great policy entrepreneurs, and arguably one of its great ...Show More

Will Storr on why you are not yourself

1:27:55 | Dec 6th, 2018

“To have a self is to feel as if we are, in the words of neuroscientist Professor Chris Frith, the ‘invisible actor at the centre of the world’.” That’s Will Storr, writing in his fantastic book Selfie. Ignore the very of-the-moment title. Storr d...Show More

Jay Rosen is pessimistic about the media. So am I.

1:22:24 | Oct 18th, 2018

This is a tough conversation. It was a tough one to hold, and it’s a tough one to publish. I’m a journalist. I’ve been a journalist for 15 years. I believe in journalism. But right now, I’m worried we’re failing. I’m worried we’re making American ...Show More

Jaron Lanier’s case for deleting social media right now

1:23:47 | Jul 9th, 2018

During my book leave, I took a social media sabbatical. No reading Facebook. No reading Twitter. And you know what? It was great. I felt able to think more clearly, and listen more closely, than had been true in years. I’m not sure that was all becau...Show More

"An orgy of serious policy discussion" with Paul Krugman

1:35:18 | Dec 11th, 2017

On October 24, 2016, in the final days of the presidential election, Paul Krugman, the Nobel-prize winning economist and New York Times columnist, tweeted, "When this election is finally over, I'm planning to celebrate with an orgy of...serious polic...Show More

How the Republican Party created Donald Trump

1:51:09 | Oct 2nd, 2017

Thomas Mann and Norman Ornstein have studied American politics for more than three decades. They are the town’s go-to experts on the workings of Congress. In 2012, they rocked Washington when they published It’s Even Worse Than It Looks, a book that ...Show More

David Remnick on journalism in the Trump era and why he hires obsessives

1:29:26 | Sep 19th, 2017

For the past 19 years, David Remnick has been the editor of the New Yorker, perhaps the greatest magazine in the English language. Under his leadership, the New Yorker has received 149 nominations for National Magazine Awards and won 37. It’s also, p...Show More

Chris Hayes on whether Trump should be removed from office

1:07:02 | Aug 15th, 2017

In the aftermath of Trump’s bizarre, dangerous North Korea tweets, I’ve been fixated on a question: Should Trump be removed from office? The mechanisms we have for curbing a dangerous presidency are limited, at least as we normally think about them. ...Show More

Al Franken on learning to be a politician

56:34 | Jun 20th, 2017

Sen. Al Franken’s new book, Al Franken, Giant of the Senate, is the rare politician memoir that’s actually interesting. And note that I said interesting, not funny (though it is also funny).Most books by politicians are about how they’re not really p...Show More

Cal Newport on doing Deep Work and escaping social media

1:20:17 | Apr 18th, 2017

I was asked recently to name a book that changed my life. The book I chose was Cal Newport’s “Deep Work,” and for the most literal of reasons: it’s changed how I lived my life. Particularly, it’s led me to stop scheduling morning meetings, and to pre...Show More

Andrew Sullivan and I work out our differences

2:07:02 | Feb 14th

I’ve been arguing with Andrew Sullivan online for almost 15 years now. It’s one of my oldest and most rewarding hobbies. In the past, I’ve always felt we understood each other, even in periods of sharp disagreement. Lately, that’s changed.Sullivan an...Show More

Leftists vs. liberals, with Elizabeth Bruenig

1:21:58 | Feb 7th

What separates Obama-era liberalism from Sanders-style democratic socialism? What are the fights splitting and transforming the Democratic Party actually about?This is a conversation I’ve wanted to have for a while, in part because I often find mysel...Show More

This conversation will change how you understand misogyny

2:16:39 | Jan 31st

Misogyny has long been understood as something men feel, not something women experience. That, says philosopher Kate Manne, is a mistake. In her book Down Girl: The Logic of Misogyny, Manne defines misogyny as “as primarily a property of social envir...Show More

Ending the age of animal cruelty, with Bruce Friedrich

1:21:25 | Jan 28th

You often hear that eating animals is natural. And it is. But not the way we do it.The industrial animal agriculture system is a technological marvel. It relies on engineering broiler chickens that grow almost seven times as quickly as they would nat...Show More

Robert Sapolsky on the toxic intersection of poverty and stress

1:21:09 | Jan 24th

Robert Sapolsky is a Stanford neuroscientist and primatologist. He’s the author of a slew of important books on human biology and behavior. But it’s an older book he wrote that forms the basis for this conversation. In Why Zebras Don’t Get Ulcers, Sa...Show More

Frances Lee on why bipartisanship is irrational

1:03:13 | Jan 21st

There aren’t too many people with an idea that will actually change how you think about American politics. But Frances Lee is one of them. In her new book, Insecure Majorities, Lee makes a point that sounds strange when you hear it, but changes every...Show More

Eric Holder’s plan to save democracy

1:00:48 | Jan 10th

Eric Holder was attorney general during the first six years of Barack Obama’s presidency, and there are days when it feels like he’s the attorney general of Obama’s post-presidency, too. Holder chairs the National Democratic Redistricting Committee, ...Show More

Anil Dash on the biases of tech

1:17:23 | Jan 7th

“Marc Andreessen famously said that ‘software is eating the world,’ but it’s far more accurate to say that the neoliberal values of software tycoons are eating the world,” wrote Anil Dash. Dash’s argument caught my eye. But then, a lot of Dash’s arg...Show More

Jill Lepore on America’s two revolutions

1:30:32 | Jan 3rd

Jill Lepore is a Harvard historian, a New Yorker contributor, and the author of These Truths, a dazzling one-volume synthesis of American history. She’s the kind of history teacher everyone wishes they’d had, able to effortlessly connect the events a...Show More

Best of: N.K. Jemisin

1:21:01 | Dec 31st, 2018

This is the most fun I’ve ever had on a podcast. Nora Jemisin — better known by her pen name, N.K. Jemisin — won the Hugo Award for best novel this year for the third year in a row. No one had ever done that before. Jemisin is also the first author ...Show More

Best-of: Bryan Stevenson

1:30:10 | Dec 27th, 2018

Here, at the holidays, I wanted to share some of my favorite episodes of the show with you. Bryan Stevenson tops the list. He’s the founder of the Equal Justice Initiative, the author of the remarkable book Just Mercy: A Story of Justice and Redempti...Show More

Kara Swisher interviews me on the Future of Journalism (Live!)

1:33:07 | Dec 24th, 2018

When I decided to start an interview podcast, the first person I went to for advice was Kara Swisher — founder of Recode, host of the Code Conference and the Recode/Decode podcast, and one of the most legendary interviewers in the business. Since the...Show More

TED’s Chris Anderson on the lessons of listening

1:09:04 | Dec 20th, 2018

You know TED. Black stage, red accents, wireless mic, one speaker. Billions of views each year. TED is more than a conference now; it’s a meme: “Thanks for coming to my TED talk” closes Tumblr and Twitter posts. Chris Anderson is the guy that took ...Show More

Rep. Katie Porter on how capitalism is failing

1:22:02 | Dec 17th, 2018

Katie Porter is the Rep.-elect from California’s 45th District, which happens to be the district I grew up in. She’s part of the brigade of Democrats who turned Orange County blue for the first time since the Great Depression. But that’s not why I as...Show More

How Hasan Minhaj is reinventing political comedy

1:42:46 | Dec 13th, 2018

In Patriot Act, Hasan Minhaj’s new Netflix show, he does three things political comedians often don’t do. First, he makes political comedy personal. Second, he makes it visual. And third, he makes it last. Minhaj was the last correspondent hired b...Show More

How to be a better carnivore

32:07 | Dec 3rd, 2018

Here are two things I believe. First, the way we treat the animals we kill for food is shameful. Second, only a tiny percentage of the population will go vegetarian or vegan and stay that way, at least until lab-grown meat gets a lot better. The m...Show More

Peter Beinart on anti-Semitism in America and illiberalism in Israel

1:27:04 | Nov 29th, 2018

This is a conversation I’ve been putting off, if I’m being honest. I can’t hold it from the safe space of journalistic distance. It’s about the strange, vulnerable space that many Jews, myself included, find themselves in today. The first part of...Show More

Where Jonathan Haidt thinks the American mind went wrong

1:53:12 | Nov 26th, 2018

Jonathan Haidt is a psychologist at New York University and the co-founder of Heterodox University. His book The Righteous Mind, which describes the different moral frameworks that animate the left and the right, was a key influence on my work. But t...Show More

The Impact: Deportation without representation

34:42 | Nov 22nd, 2018

For Thanksgiving listening, I have an episode of The Impact, from my Weeds co-host Sarah Kliff. The Impact is a show about how policy shapes our lives. This season, Sarah and her team are focusing on the most exciting, innovative ideas at the stat...Show More

Molly Ball on Nancy Pelosi’s future and Paul Ryan’s failure

1:03:23 | Nov 19th, 2018

The midterm elections are being interpreted almost entirely as a referendum on President Donald Trump. But it was also a referendum on Paul Ryan’s speakership, which drove Trump’s domestic policy agenda, and Nancy Pelosi’s opposition strategy. In ...Show More

Whitney Phillips explains how Trump controls the media

1:50:41 | Nov 15th, 2018

Here’s a fun fact: The best training for understanding the president’s media strategy is to have studied internet trolls for years and years. Okay, maybe that fact wasn’t so fun. Maybe it’s incredibly depressing. At any rate, Whitney Phillips d...Show More

Ask Ezra Anything

1:38:42 | Nov 12th, 2018

You had questions. Smart, interesting questions. Questions about the zero-sum logic of markets, about whether compromise is possible or even desirable in today’s politics, about where the left goes too far, about local vs. national politics, about ho...Show More

Presidents in crisis with Slow Burn’s Leon Neyfakh

1:27:42 | Nov 8th, 2018

Slow Burn is one of my favorite podcasts of the past few years. Its first season, on Watergate, relived the confusion, chaos, and strangeness of the Richard Nixon presidency’s collapse. Its second season, on Bill Clinton’s affair with Monica Lewinsky...Show More

Sandy Darity has a plan to close the wealth gap

55:39 | Nov 5th, 2018

Here’s something to consider: For families in which the lead earner has a college degree, the average white family has $180,500 in wealth. The average black family? $23,400. That’s a difference of almost $160,000 — $160,000 that could be used to send...Show More

How identity politics elected Donald Trump

1:36:54 | Nov 1st, 2018

Identity Crisis is the most important book written on the 2016 election. Based on reams of data covering virtually every controversy, theory, and explanation for the outcome, it settles many of the debates that have raged over the past two years. ...Show More

Rep. Mark Sanford on losing the Republican Party to Donald Trump

1:04:48 | Oct 29th, 2018

Mark Sanford was elected to Congress in 1994, where he quickly established himself as one of the most conservative members of the chamber. In 2002, he was elected governor of South Carolina. He was, again, one of the most conservative elected officia...Show More

Doris Kearns Goodwin (live!) on how great presidents are made

1:23:15 | Oct 25th, 2018

If you’ve got a question, Doris Kearns Goodwin has a charming, insightful, well-told presidential anecdote for you. Actually, a couple of them. I interviewed the Pulitzer Prize-winning presidential historian live onstage for the release of her ne...Show More

What Nate Silver's learned about forecasting elections

1:21:22 | Oct 22nd, 2018

This close to an election, who do I want to hear from? Nate Silver, of course. I sat down with the FiveThirtyEight founder and math wizard to talk about how he builds his forecasting models, what they’re saying about 2018, how big the Democrats’ ...Show More

Future Perfect: making prisons more humane

24:01 | Oct 20th, 2018

A sneak peek at Vox’s newest show, about provocative ideas with the potential to radically improve the world. Host Dylan Matthews tackles big questions about the most effective ways to save lives, reform prisons, fight global warming, and end world p...Show More

Why Bill Gates is worried

1:00:50 | Oct 15th, 2018

“To put it bluntly,” wrote Bill and Melinda Gates in their foundation’s annual Goalkeepers Report, “decades of stunning progress in the fight against poverty and disease may be on the verge of stalling. This is because the poorest parts of the world ...Show More

Reihan Salam makes the case against open borders

1:29:04 | Oct 11th, 2018

In his new book, Melting Pot or Civil War: A Son of Immigrants Makes the Case Against Open Borders, Reihan Salam tries to do something difficult: build a pro-immigrant case for a more restrictive immigration system. This is an argument, interesti...Show More

Jose Antonio Vargas on living undocumented in Trump’s America

1:29:14 | Oct 8th, 2018

Jose Antonio Vargas was born in the Philippines in 1981. When he was 12, his mother sent him to America, to live with family. When he was 16, he went to the DMV to get a driver's license and found out his green card was forged; he was an undocumented...Show More

Patrick Deneen says liberalism has failed. Is he right?

1:01:33 | Oct 1st, 2018

Liberalism, write Patrick Deneen, "has been for modern Americans like water for a fish, an encompassing political ecosystem in which we have swum, unaware of its existence.” Deneen, a political theorist at Notre Dame, isn’t talking about the...Show More

Francis Fukuyama’s case against identity politics

1:30:17 | Sep 27th, 2018

Is all politics identity politics? And if so, then what does it mean to condemn identity politics in the first place? That’s the subject of my discussion with Stanford political scientist Francis Fukuyama. In his new book, Identity: The Demand for...Show More

Carol Anderson on the myth of American democracy

59:23 | Sep 24th, 2018

The president of the United States was the runner-up in the popular vote. The majority in the US Senate got fewer votes than the minority. And even if Democrats win a hefty majority of the vote in 2018’s House elections, Republicans, due to gerrymand...Show More

Martha C. Nussbaum on how fear deforms our politics

58:09 | Sep 17th, 2018

In her new book Monarchy of Fear, famed philosopher Martha C. Nussbaum identifies fear as the oldest and deepest of our emotions. Fear takes hold in our earliest infancy, when we can experience need but we can’t act. And it lurks underneath our psych...Show More

David French on “The Great White Culture War"

1:37:06 | Sep 10th, 2018

David French is a senior writer for National Review and one of the conservatives I read most closely. About a month ago, he published an interesting column responding to some things I had said, and to the broader currents cutting through our politics...Show More

Your attention is being hijacked. Chris Bailey can help.

1:08:00 | Sep 4th, 2018

Life is the sum focus of what you pay attention to. You hear that a lot. But look at the verb there: “pay” attention to. As if attention is something we consciously spend out. As if it’s something we control. But do we? Not these days. There’s a w...Show More

Anand Giridharadas on the elite charade of changing the world

1:30:04 | Aug 30th, 2018

“How can there be anything wrong with trying to do good?” asks Anand Giridharadas in his new book, Winners Take All. “The answer may be: when the good is an accomplice to even greater, if more invisible, harm.” Giridharadas has done his time in el...Show More

I build a world with fantasy master N.K. Jemisin

1:25:49 | Aug 27th, 2018

I’m just going to say it. This may be the most fun I’ve ever had on a podcast. Nora Jemisin — better known by her pen name, N.K. Jemisin — just won the Hugo Award for best novel for the third year in a row. No one had ever done that before. Jemisi...Show More

Reup: Zephyr Teachout vs. Corruption

1:29:07 | Aug 24th, 2018

Zephyr Teachout is a law professor at Fordham University and one of the nation’s foremost experts on political corruption. She’s also, after a glowing New York Times endorsement this week, arguably the frontrunner in the race to replace Eric Schneide...Show More

Is our economy totally screwed? Andrew Yang and I debate.

1:13:58 | Aug 20th, 2018

"The future without jobs will come to resemble either the cultivated benevolence of Star Trek or the desperate scramble for resources of Mad Max,” writes Andrew Yang. Well then. Yang is the founder of Venture for America, the author of The War ...Show More

Chef Marcus Samuelsson on immigration, creativity, and Anthony Bourdain

1:17:32 | Aug 13th, 2018

Marcus Samuelsson is the Michelin-starred chef behind Harlem’s The Red Rooster an award-winning cookbook author,the winner of the first season of Top Chef: Masters, ;nd the host of No Passport Required, a new food and travel show from Eater and PBS. ...Show More

Why online politics gets so extreme so fast

1:07:36 | Aug 6th, 2018

During the 2016 campaign, Zeynep Tufekci was watching videos of Donald Trump rallies on YouTube. But then, she writes, she "noticed something peculiar. YouTube started to recommend and ‘autoplay' videos for me that featured white supremacist rants, H...Show More

Taking Trump’s corruption seriously

1:02:10 | Aug 2nd, 2018

The question of whether President Trump colluded with Russia during the 2016 election has consumed Washington since the Justice Department appointed Robert Mueller special counsel in March 2017. But there's another question worth considering: the...Show More

The surprising story of how American politics polarized

1:07:25 | Jul 30th, 2018

We talk a lot on this podcast about the epic levels of political polarization and how much of our ongoing breakdown they explain. But what was American politics like before it was polarized? And what got us from there to here? Sam Rosenfeld is a p...Show More

The most important idea for understanding American politics in 2018

1:15:56 | Jul 23rd, 2018

America is changing. A majority of infants are, for the first time in US history, nonwhite — and the rest of the population is expected to follow suit in the coming decades. The number of religiously affiliated Americans is at a record low, and the s...Show More

What economists and politicians get wrong about trade

54:55 | Jul 19th, 2018

For decades, Harvard’s Dani Rodrik has been a lonely voice in the economics profession warning that the academics were getting this one wrong. Trade is not an unalloyed good; “globalization would deepen societal divisions, exacerbate distributional p...Show More

How to disagree better

1:38:37 | Jul 16th, 2018

Arthur Brooks is the president of the American Enterprise Institute, one of Washington’s most respected and powerful conservative think tanks. He’s also launching a new podcast, The Arthur Brooks Show, with Vox Media on the art and practice of disagr...Show More

The most clarifying conversation I’ve had about Trump and Russia (part 2)

1:05:54 | Jul 5th, 2018

What have we actually learned about Donald Trump’s ties to Russia, and his administration’s efforts to cover those ties up? What role did Russia really play in the 2016 election? And what are special counsel Robert Mueller’s possible endgames — what ...Show More

The Supreme Court vs. Democracy

1:06:33 | Jul 2nd, 2018

If 75,000 votes in Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania had tipped the other way, President Hillary Clinton would’ve named both Antonin Scalia and Anthony Kennedy’s replacements. But they didn’t. And now Donald Trump, in less than two years, will fi...Show More

Eric Garcetti on the lessons of Los Angeles

1:03:07 | Jun 25th, 2018

There’s been a lot of talk about the coming of majority-minority America — the point, projected for roughly 2045, when there will no longer be any racial or ethnic group that makes up a majority of the United States. But there are plenty of place...Show More

The Green Pill

1:01:45 | Jun 11th, 2018

What accounts for the way most of us eat? What’s the ideology, the theory, behind our diets? And what happens when you stop believing in it? Over the past decade, I’ve been on a fitful journey toward veganism. At least, that’s the way I normally s...Show More

How Jane Mayer exposed Eric Schneiderman, Bush’s torture program, and the Kochs

1:15:18 | Jun 4th, 2018

On May 7, Jane Mayer and Ronan Farrow published a story in the New Yorker detailing New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman’s alleged history of sexually and psychologically terrorizing the women he dated. Hours later, Schneiderman stepped down. ...Show More

Political power and the racial wealth gap

1:22:09 | May 28th, 2018

The racial wealth gap is where past injustice compounds into present inequality. When I asked Ta-Nehisi Coates, on this show, what would prove to him that white supremacy was over in this country, he pointed to the closing of the racial wealth gap. ...Show More

Tyler Cowen on the painful end of American complacency

1:30:53 | May 21st, 2018

Headlining any conversation with Tyler Cowen is difficult. This one, for instance, covers how to write a book, single-payer health care, political correctness, loneliness, the expanding Overton window, the tech backlash, technological innovation, the...Show More

A mind-expanding conversation with Michael Pollan

1:23:17 | May 14th, 2018

This is perhaps the most literal title I’ve given a conversation on this podcast. This is a discussion about how to expand your mind — how to expand the connections it makes, the experiences it’s open to, the sensory information it absorbs. And, more...Show More

Optimism about America

1:22:15 | May 7th, 2018

In a February 2017 column, David Brooks wrote about "the Fallows Question, which I unfurl at dinner parties: If you could move to the place on earth where history is most importantly being made right now, where would you go?” The Fallows question ...Show More

The New York Times’s lead Clinton reporter reflects on her coverage

55:07 | May 3rd, 2018

It’s time to talk about the damn emails — and the way the media covered them. Amy Chozick reported on Hillary Clinton for a decade. She was there as Clinton’s campaign fell short in the 2008 Democratic primaries. And as the New York Times’s lead r...Show More

The age of "mega-identity" politics

1:19:40 | Apr 30th, 2018

Yes, identity politics is breaking our country. But it’s not identity politics as we’re used to thinking about it.  In Uncivil Agreement: How Politics Became Our Identity, Lilliana Mason traces the construction of our partisan “mega-identities”: i...Show More

Is American democracy really in decline? A debate.

1:53:28 | Apr 23rd, 2018

Yascha Mounk’s new book, The People vs. Democracy: Why Our Freedom Is in Danger and How to Save It, is perhaps the year’s scariest read. In it, Mounk argues that “liberal democracy, the unique mix of individual rights and popular rule that has long c...Show More

Special episode: The Syrian conflict, explained by a UN diplomat who saw it start

57:39 | Apr 20th, 2018

Many of you will remember the interview I did with Grant Gordon, who works on humanitarian policy innovation at the International Rescue Committee. That conversation received a huge response — some of you even wrote in to say it had changed your care...Show More

Carol Anderson on White Rage and Donald Trump

1:31:26 | Apr 12th, 2018

Carol Anderson is a professor of African-American studies at Emory University and the author of White Rage: The Unspoken Truth of Our Racial Divide. Anderson’s book emerged from a viral op-ed she wrote for the Washington Post in 2014, amid the bac...Show More

The Sam Harris Debate

2:09:15 | Apr 9th, 2018

There’s a lot of backstory to this podcast, most of which is covered in this piece. The short version is that Sam Harris, the host of the Waking Up podcast, and I have been going back and forth over an interview Harris did with The Bell Curve author ...Show More

Is Mitch Landrieu the "White, Southern Anti-Trump"?

1:25:43 | Mar 26th, 2018

Mitch Landrieu is the white mayor of New Orleans, and he wants America to talk about race. Landrieu is the author of the new book, In The Shadow of Statues: A White Southerner Confronts History. The statues he refers to are Confederate war memorials,...Show More

Melinda Gates (live!) on stopping climate change, ending malaria, and the problems money can’t solve

54:43 | Mar 19th, 2018

Melinda Gates is the co-founder and co-chair of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, the largest private foundation in the United States. With more than $40 billion in assets, the Gates Foundation works on a dizzying array of issues, from eradicati...Show More

A better conversation on guns

52:54 | Mar 12th, 2018

Want to know why we can’t make any progress on the guns debate? Because this isn’t a debate over policy. It’s a debate over identity. After last month’s shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, I remembered a book Evan Osnos recommended o...Show More

This isn’t Joe Kennedy’s grandfather’s Democratic Party, and he knows it

1:01:48 | Mar 5th, 2018

When you’re sitting in front of Rep. Joe Kennedy, it’s clear that you’re sitting in front of a Kennedy. The face, the jawline — it’s all uncannily familiar. But Kennedy, the grandson of Robert F. Kennedy, is rising in a changed Democratic Party. I...Show More

Amy Chua on how tribalism is tearing America apart

59:14 | Feb 26th, 2018

Human beings are tribal creatures, particularly when they feel threatened. And the reality of living in America in 2018, at a time of massive demographic change and social upheaval, is that we all feel threatened, and so we are all becoming more trib...Show More

My favorite new podcast

22:07 | Feb 23rd, 2018

This is one I'm excited to share. For months, we've been working on a daily explainer podcast called — wait for it — Today, Explained. The idea is, every weekday afternoon, to take something important in the news, slow it down, and dig into what's re...Show More

How technology brings out the worst in us, with Tristan Harris

1:10:36 | Feb 19th, 2018

In 2011, Tristan Harris’s company, Apture, was acquired by Google. Inside Google, he became unnerved by how the company worked. There was all this energy going into making the products better, more addicting, more delightful. But what if all that mad...Show More

Steven Pinker: enlightenment values made this the best moment in human history

1:12:34 | Feb 12th, 2018

Does the daily news feel depressing? Does the world feel grim? It’s not, says Harvard professor Steven Pinker. This is, in fact, the best moment in human history — there’s less war, less violence, less famine, less poverty, than there ever has been. ...Show More

Why my politics are bad with Bhaskar Sunkara

1:12:35 | Feb 5th, 2018

Bhaskar Sunkara is the founder and publisher of Jacobin, a journal of “socialist perspectives on politics, economics, and culture.” He launched the publication in 2011 when he was an undergraduate at George Washington University. Today, its print edi...Show More

How to oppose Trump without becoming more like him

1:15:06 | Jan 22nd, 2018

Krista Tippett is the host of the award-winning radio show and podcast On Being. In 2014, she was awarded the National Humanities Medal by President Barack Obama. For good reason. She's created, over decades, something rare in American life: spaces w...Show More

You will love this conversation with Jaron Lanier, but I can’t describe it

1:36:52 | Jan 15th, 2018

Oftentimes it’s easy for me to describe these conversations. This one is on Trump and Russia. That one is on health care. But not this time. I want you to listen to this conversation, because Jaron Lanier is brilliant and his mind is unusual...Show More

The most clarifying conversation I’ve had on Trump and Russia

1:15:53 | Jan 8th, 2018

What really happened between the Trump campaign and the Russian government? The investigation into that question has rocked American politics. The FBI director was fired over it. The attorney general might get fired over it. The president’s former...Show More

Pod Save America’s Jon Favreau on Trump’s first year, the GOP’s “rot,” and the left’s failures

58:53 | Jan 2nd, 2018

Jon Favreau was President Obama’s chief speechwriter. In those days, he was a frequent critic of the political media, frustrated, as many in the Obama administration were, with its focus on conflict, on ephemera, on appearing even-handed even when re...Show More

The inside story of Doug Jones’s win in Alabama

1:04:29 | Dec 25th, 2017

“The day before the Washington Post story came out, we were behind by one point, 46 to 45,” says Joe Trippi. “And the day before the election, we were ahead in our own survey by two points. We ended up winning by 1.8.” This, Trippi says, was...Show More

What life is like in North Korea

50:50 | Dec 18th, 2017

The most important story in the world right now is how real the chance of war with North Korea is — and how cataclysmic such a war would be. Part of the reason the risk of war is so real is that our understanding of North Korea is so sparse. "The ...Show More

The case for impeachment

1:11:03 | Dec 4th, 2017

I have grown obsessed with a seemingly simple question: Does the American political system have a remedy if we elect the wrong person to be president? There are clear answers if we elect a criminal or if the president falls into a coma. But what if w...Show More

What Buddhism got right about the human brain

1:18:34 | Nov 27th, 2017

I wanted to take a post-Thanksgiving break from politics and current events this week to talk to Robert Wright. He's written some of the best books on religion and evolutionary psychology, including Non-Zero and The Evolution of God.  His latest b...Show More

Rebecca Traister on #MeToo, female rage, and Anita Hill’s legacy

1:31:04 | Nov 20th, 2017

We’re living through an upheaval. The #MeToo moment has engulfed some of the most powerful men in politics, entertainment, and media. It has also forced a national reckoning with the reality of America’s sexual and workplace cultures — how often they...Show More

Ai-jen Poo: the future of work isn’t robots. It’s caring humans.

1:05:02 | Nov 13th, 2017

When we talk about the future of work, we usually focus on artificial intelligence, robotics, driverless cars. The future of work, we’re told, is a future where humans cease to be necessary. Ai-jen Poo wants to refocus that conversation. When we t...Show More

Why politics needs more conflict, not less

1:17:11 | Oct 30th, 2017

Here’s a counterintuitive thought: maybe Congress in particular, and politics in general, has too little conflict, not too much. That’s James Wallner’s argument, and it’s more persuasive than you might think. Wallner is a political scientist who b...Show More

Why the Weinstein scandal gives Tig Notaro hope about Hollywood

44:16 | Oct 23rd, 2017

Tig Notaro dropped out of high school. She drifted between odd jobs for a long time and eventually found her way to Colorado, where she discovered open mic nights and a talent for stand-up comedy.  Stand-up brought discipline to her life. But fame...Show More

Introducing: The Impact, with the curious case of the $629 Band-Aid

26:08 | Oct 19th, 2017

This is a bonus episode that I'm really excited about. It's Vox's new show, The Impact, hosted by Sarah Kliff.  So often in Washington, the story stops when Congress passes a law. Reporters move on to the next legislative or political battle. B...Show More

What happens when human beings take control of their own evolution?

1:05:00 | Oct 16th, 2017

Over the past decade, scientists have developed what was once just the subject of dystopian fiction: gene editing technology. It's known as CRISPR. Jennifer Doudna, a professor of molecular and cell biology and chemistry at the University of Calif...Show More

Ta-Nehisi Coates is not here to comfort you

1:11:35 | Oct 9th, 2017

“It’s important to remember the inconsequence of one’s talent and hard work and the incredible and unmatched sway of luck and fate,” writes Ta-Nehisi Coates in his new book, We Were Eight Years in Power. Coates’s view of his career flows from his ...Show More

Reihan Salam wants to remake the Republican Party -- again

1:20:21 | Sep 25th, 2017

In 2008, Reihan Salam co-wrote Grand New Party: How Republicans Can Win the Working Class and Save the American Dream with his frequent collaborator Ross Douthat.  After nearly eight years of President Bush, Salam wanted to remake the Republican P...Show More

What Hillary Clinton really thinks

1:00:55 | Sep 12th, 2017

On page 239 of What Happened, Hillary Clinton reveals that she almost ran a very different campaign in 2016. Before announcing for president, she read Peter Barnes’s book With Liberty and Dividends for All, and became fascinated by the idea of using ...Show More

Dan Rather thought he'd seen it all. But then came President Trump.

1:09:45 | Sep 5th, 2017

Dan Rather has covered the most momentous events of the modern era. He was in Dallas, Texas, during President Kennedy's assassination. He was in Vietnam, embedded with US troops, in 1965 and 1966. He reported on Watergate, stood at the Berlin Wall as...Show More

From 4Chan to Charlottesville: where the alt-right came from, and where it's going

1:27:38 | Aug 29th, 2017

Angela Nagle spent the better part of the past decade in the darkest corners of the internet, learning how online subcultures emerge and thrive on forums like 4chan and Tumblr.The result is her fantastic new book, Kill All the Normies: Online Culture...Show More

Why prosecutors, not cops, are the keys to criminal justice reform

1:17:59 | Aug 22nd, 2017

Angela J. Davis is the former director of the DC public defender service, a professor of law at American University, and editor of a remarkable new book titled Policing the Black Man, which pulls together deeply researched essays on virtually every a...Show More

Sen. Michael Bennet on why this is a dismal, sociopathic era in Congress

1:19:31 | Aug 8th, 2017

Michael Bennet is an accidental senator. He was unexpectedly appointed to fill an open seat after Ken Salazar joined the Obama administration. He had never run for elected office before, or served in a legislative body. Perhaps that’s why he’s always...Show More

What’s scary isn’t Trump’s illiberalism but America's acceptance of it

1:06:05 | Aug 1st, 2017

Yascha Mounk is a lecturer at Harvard, a columnist at Slate, and the host of The Good Fight podcast. He’s also an expert on how democracies backslide into illiberalism — which was the topic of our first conversation on this podcast.But when Mounk and...Show More

Julia Galef on how to argue better and change your mind more

1:33:46 | Jul 25th, 2017

At least in politics, this is an era of awful arguments. Arguments made in bad faith. Arguments in which no one, on either side, is willing to change their mind. Arguments where the points being made do not describe, or influence, the positions being...Show More

Dr. Nneka Jones Tapia, the first psychologist to run a jail

1:08:45 | Jul 18th, 2017

Cook County Sheriff Thomas Dart calls the 8,000-person Cook County Jail the largest mental health institution in the country. Thirty percent of its inmates have diagnosed mental health issues, and the number with undiagnosed conditions is thought to ...Show More

Eddie Izzard on World War I, cake or death, and marathoning

1:13:51 | Jul 11th, 2017

Now that I've gotten Eddie Izzard to re-derive his famed "cake or death?" routine in real time, I'm ending this podcast. Always good to go out on top.Okay, maybe I won't actually end it. But this episode was a thrill to do. Eddie Izzard has long been...Show More

Avik Roy and Ezra debate the Senate GOP's health bill

1:26:05 | Jul 3rd, 2017

According to the Congressional Budget Office, the Senate GOP’s health care bill — officially known as the Better Care Reconciliation Act — will lead to 22 million fewer people with health insurance and plans with such high deductibles that low-income...Show More

danah boyd on why fake news is so easy to believe

1:27:58 | Jun 27th, 2017

danah boyd is an anthropologist and computer scientist who studies the way people actually use technology. Not the way we wish we used technology, or the way we hope we will use technology, but the way we actually use it.“Technology,” she says, "is m...Show More

Zephyr Teachout on suing Trump, fighting corruption, and breaking monopolies

1:29:23 | Jun 13th, 2017

Zephyr Teachout is a law professor at Fordham University, the author of Corruption in America, one of the lead lawyers in the emoluments case that’s been brought against Donald Trump, and a former gubernatorial and congressional candidate.Which is al...Show More

Masha Gessen offers a plausible Trump-Russia theory

1:03:22 | Jun 6th, 2017

Masha Gessen is a Russian-American journalist and the author of, among other books, The Man Without a Face: The Unlikely Rise of Vladimir Putin. Since the election, she has been analyzing Donald Trump through the lens of Russian politics and personal...Show More

Kwame Anthony Appiah on cosmopolitanism

1:03:30 | May 30th, 2017

Few words are as reviled in American politics as “cosmopolitan.” The term invokes sneering, urban, elite condescension. It’s those smug cosmopolitans who led to Donald Trump’s election. It’s those rootless cosmopolitans who’re shipping jobs overseas ...Show More

Yascha Mounk: Is Trump’s incompetence saving us from his illiberalism?

1:31:19 | May 23rd, 2017

Yascha Mounk is a Lecturer on Government at Harvard University, a Fellow in the Political Reform Program at New America, and host of the podcast, The Good Fight. He’s also the author of some of the scariest political science research I’ve seen in a l...Show More

Bryan Stevenson on why the opposite of poverty isn’t wealth, but justice

1:29:56 | May 16th, 2017

Bryan Stevenson is the founder and executive director of the Equal Justice Initiative. He and his staff have won reversals, relief, or release for more than 115 wrongly convicted prisoners on death row. He’s the author of the power book Just Mercy, a...Show More

Death, Sex, and Money’s Anna Sale on bringing empathy to politics

1:09:37 | May 9th, 2017

There’s much talk of “empathy” in today’s politics, but it’s a cramped, weaponized form of empathy — an empathy designed to force us to grudgingly tolerate each other, or an empathy used to explain away the reasons we hurt each other.You can glimpse ...Show More

Cory Booker returns, live, to talk trust, Trump, and basic incomes

1:08:38 | May 4th, 2017

Senator Cory Booker is back! In this special live episode of The Ezra Klein Show — taped at Vox Conversations — Booker and I dig into America’s crisis of trust. Faith in both political figures and political institutions has plummeted in recent decade...Show More

VC Bill Gurley on transforming health care

1:10:06 | May 2nd, 2017

Washington has been gripped of late by the world’s most depressing, least imaginative, debate over health care. The question, as it stands, is whether Obamacare will survive (while being mildly, but persistently, sabotaged by the Trump administration...Show More

Elizabeth Warren on what Barack Obama got wrong

43:32 | Apr 25th, 2017

Elizabeth Warren is the founder of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, the senior senator from Massachusetts, and the author of the new book, “This Fight Is Our Fight: The Battle to Save America's Middle Class.”You might have heard of her.Warre...Show More

G. Willow Wilson on religion, comics, and modern myths

1:12:36 | Apr 11th, 2017

This is a podcast about topics we don’t always cover on this show. Religion. Spirituality. Gender roles. Traditionalist societies. Comic books.G. Willow Wilson is the author of The Butterfly Mosque, Alif the Unseen, and the Hugo award winning comic b...Show More

Chris Hayes on the crisis of elites and the politics of order

1:40:03 | Apr 4th, 2017

I could describe this podcast, and I will. But the tl;dr is this is one of my favorite conversations so far, and you’re going to enjoy it. So just go listen. Chris Hayes is, of course, the host of the MSNBC primetime show, “All In.” He’s also the aut...Show More

Tyler Cowen explains it all

1:31:46 | Mar 28th, 2017

I have never come across a mind quite like Tyler Cowen’s. The George Mason economist, and Marginal Revolution blogger, has an interesting opinion on, well, everything. He’s a genuine polymath who can talk knowledgeably about more subjects than I even...Show More

Molly Ball on whether facts matter in politics

1:13:43 | Mar 21st, 2017

You may remember the Atlantic's Molly Ball from the fantastic pre-election conversation we had on this podcast. She's back this week to talk about an issue I've become more and more obsessed with — does factual argument matter in American politics? O...Show More

Denis McDonough on how to run the White House

1:19:03 | Mar 14th, 2017

How do you actually run a White House? What is the president’s actual job? What is the chief of staff’s role? What happens if you screw up? These are questions I’ve been reflecting on rather a lot lately, for obvious reasons. And so I asked Denis McD...Show More

Cecile Richards on Planned Parenthood, labor organizing, and the Supreme Court

1:12:21 | Mar 7th, 2017

Before Cecile Richards was president of Planned Parenthood, she was a labor organizer working with garment workers in El Paso, Texas. The experience taught her a key principle of political change: people do things for their reasons, not your reasons....Show More

Tim Ferriss on suffering, psychedelics, and spirituality

1:48:33 | Mar 2nd, 2017

Tim Ferriss is the author of the 4-Hour Workweek, as well as the new book, Tools of Titans. He’s also the host of The Tim Ferriss Show, which is one of my favorite podcasts, and an inspiration for this show. Tim is a relentless optimizer, and on his ...Show More

Elizabeth Drew covered Watergate. Here's what she thinks of Trump.

1:08:46 | Feb 21st, 2017

Elizabeth Drew is the author of Washington Journal, one of my favorite books about Watergate. Drew covered the story as a reporter for the New Yorker, and the book emerges from the real-time, journalistic diary she kept amidst the chaos. As such, it ...Show More

Avik Roy on why conservatives need to embrace diversity

1:28:31 | Feb 14th, 2017

Avik Roy advised Mitt Romney’s 2012 campaign on health care, ran the policy shop on Rick Perry’s 2016 campaign, and then worked for Marco Rubio after Perry dropped out. So Roy’s Republican credentials are pretty solid. But he’s aghast at the directio...Show More

Kara Swisher gives a master class on reporting and interviewing

1:35:23 | Feb 7th, 2017

Before I launched this podcast, I asked Kara Swisher to coffee. Swisher founded the technology news site Recode, hosts the excellent Recode Decode podcast, and runs a legendary conference series. She is among the best interviewers working today. Some...Show More

David Miliband explains the global refugee crisis

46:38 | Feb 2nd, 2017

Donald Trump's executive order temporarily banning Muslim refugees from Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and Yemen, and indefinitely banning them from Syria, doesn't come in a vacuum. The world is currently experience the worst refugee crisis since...Show More

Jennifer Lawless on why you — yes, you — should run for office

1:01:08 | Jan 31st, 2017

There are 500,000 elected positions in the United States. I'll say that again: 500,000. And that's no accident. "Our political system is built on the premise that running for office is something that a broad group of citizens should want to do," writ...Show More

JD Vance: the reluctant interpreter of Trumpism

1:40:32 | Jan 24th, 2017

J.D. Vance's Hillbilly Elegy has been adopted as the book that explains Trumpism. It's the book that both Senator Mitch McConnell and Senator Rob Portman recommended as their favorite of 2016. It's a book Keith Ellison, the frontrunner to lead the DN...Show More

Keith Ellison: The Democratic National Committee has become the Democratic Presidential Committee, and that needs to end

1:00:50 | Jan 17th, 2017

Congressman Keith Ellison is the frontrunner to lead the Democratic National Committee in the Trump era. Ellison has a fascinating backstory: he's the first Muslim elected to the US Congress, and he was the second member of Congress to endorse Bernie...Show More

Elizabeth Kolbert: We have locked in centuries of climate change

1:18:31 | Jan 10th, 2017

Elizabeth Kolbert covers climate change for the New Yorker. She's the Pulitzer prize-winning author of The Sixth Extinction. And she recently wrote a paragraph I can't stop thinking about. "The problem with global warming—and the reason it continues ...Show More

Sarah Kliff and Ezra Interview Obama About Obamacare

1:12:55 | Jan 6th, 2017

Two weeks before he leaves office, President Obama sits down for a lengthy conversation about the lessons of the Affordable Care Act and the law's uncertain future.

You Ask, Ezra Answers

1:33:19 | Jan 3rd, 2017

At long last, here’s the Ask Ezra Anything episode. You sent in great questions, and I answered as many as I could. To keep me honest — and to make sure I didn’t just talk to myself for two hours — I invited friend-of-the-show Grant Gordon back to th...Show More

Evelyn Farkas explains the crisis in Syria and the threat of Russia

1:17:54 | Dec 27th, 2016

From 2012 to 2015, Evelyn Farkas served as Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Russia, Ukraine, and Eurasia, where she was responsible for policy toward Russia, the Black Sea, the Balkans, and Caucasus regions and conventional arms control.Fark...Show More

Tim Wu's interesting, unusual, fascinating life

1:29:12 | Dec 20th, 2016

Columbia law professor Tim Wu makes me feel boring and underaccomplished. He’s been a Supreme Court clerk, a Silicon Valley startup employee, a bestselling author, and a star academic. He coined the term "network neutrality," wrote the superb book Th...Show More

Ta-Nehisi Coates: "There’s not gonna be a happy ending to this story"

1:40:54 | Dec 14th, 2016

Ta-Nehisi Coates is an author at the Atlantic. His book, Between the World and Me, won the National Book Award, and was spoofed on SNL. He's writing the (awesome) Black Panther series for Marvel. He's a certified MacArthur Genius. And he just release...Show More

Stripe CEO Patrick Collison on management, rationalism, and the enlightenment

1:27:16 | Dec 6th, 2016

Patrick Collison is the 28-year-old CEO of Stripe, the online payments company that was just valued at $9 billion.Haven't heard of Stripe? You've probably used it. Last year, 40 percent of people who bought something online used Stripe's payment syst...Show More

Award-winning chef José Andrés on cooking, creativity, and learning from the best

1:26:53 | Nov 29th, 2016

José Andrés isn't just a chef. He's a force. All that talk of how DC is now a hot dining scene? Andrés deserves more than a bit of the credit. He's popularized Spanish tapas through Jaleo, brought El Bulli-style molecular gastronomy to America throug...Show More

Heather McGhee returns to talk Trump, race, and empathy

59:35 | Nov 22nd, 2016

There are few episodes of this show that people loved as much as my conversation with Heather McGhee, president of the think tank Demos. Our first discussion focused on race, class, populism, and the sometimes toxic ways the three interact. It's a to...Show More

Ron Brownstein: Clinton didn’t lose because of the white working class

1:03:52 | Nov 15th, 2016

Why did Hillary Clinton lose the election? Why did Donald Trump win it? And why was the polling so completely wrong?No one digs deeper into the demographics, polls, and trends of modern American politics than the Atlantic's Ron Brownstein. Though he ...Show More

David Frum on the 2016 election, and the long decline of the GOP

1:32:04 | Nov 6th, 2016

We’re bringing the Ezra Klein Show to you a little early this week because, well, there's an election coming in a few days. And we wanted to talk about it. The 2016 election is the product of profound failures on the part of different institutions in...Show More

Deborah Tannen on gendered speech, Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump, and you

1:29:56 | Nov 1st, 2016

To understand the 2012 election, you had to ask a political scientist. To understand the 2016 election, you need to call a linguist.At least, I did. Deborah Tannen is a Georgetown University linguist who's done pioneering work in how men and women's ...Show More

Joseph Stiglitz on broken markets, bad trade deals, and basic incomes

1:06:17 | Oct 25th, 2016

This week’s guest is a Nobel Prize winner. We like to sprinkle those in every so often. Joseph Stiglitz revolutionized how economists understood market failures (hence that prize), served as chief economist at The World Bank, led the Council of Econo...Show More

Let's talk about Hillary Clinton's policy ideas, with Jonathan Cohn

1:10:01 | Oct 18th, 2016

The overwhelming focus of this election has been Donald Trump — the things he does, says, tweets. But the next president is likely to be Hillary Clinton. And we've put a lot less effort into understanding her lengthy, detailed agenda for the country....Show More

Francis Fukuyama on whether America's democracy is decaying

1:07:30 | Oct 11th, 2016

Francis Fukuyama is a political scientist, a public intellectual, and progenitor of the famed "End of History" thesis. But his recent work is his most important yet. Over two volumes, he's been studying how societies become safe, pluralistic liberal ...Show More

Tyler Cowen interviews Ezra Klein about politics, media, and more

1:13:17 | Oct 6th, 2016

A number of you have asked that we turn the tables and have someone interview me for the show. So when Tyler Cowen — economist at George Mason University, blogger at Marginal Revolution, and generalized genius — invited me on his podcast Conversation...Show More

The best conversation I’ve had about the election, with Molly Ball

1:08:50 | Oct 4th, 2016

This election season has left pretty much everything I thought I knew about politics in doubt. Both parties nominated unpopular candidates, even when they had popular alternatives. One party's nominee isn't really running any ads, and has barely both...Show More

HHS Secretary Sylvia Matthews Burwell on running Obamacare, Medicare, and Medicaid

43:55 | Sep 27th, 2016

This week, I've turned over the mic to The Weeds' Sarah Kliff. She went to Capitol Hill to interview HHS Secretary Sylvia Burwell about all things healthcare. They talked about how to pay doctors to provide better care, the current state of the Obama...Show More

Dr. Leana Wen on why the opposite of poverty is health

1:36:33 | Sep 20th, 2016

There are a couple of ideas that drive how I see policy and politics. One of them is that most of what drives health outcomes has nothing to do with what happens in doctor's offices. Another is that we overestimate the importance of the president nat...Show More

Arlie Hochschild on how America feels to Trump supporters

55:43 | Sep 13th, 2016

I’ve been reading sociologist Arlie Hochschild’s writing for about a decade now. Her immersive projects have revolutionized how we understand labor, gender equity, and work-life balance. But her latest book, Strangers In Their Own Land: Anger and Mou...Show More

Stewart Butterfield on creating Slack, learning from games, and finding your online identity

1:31:22 | Sep 6th, 2016

If you came by the Vox office, you would find it oddly quiet. That's not because we don't like each other, or because we're not social, or because we don't have anything to say. It's because almost all our communication happens silently, digitally, i...Show More

W. Kamau Bell on the lessons of parenthood, Twitter, and fame

1:28:02 | Aug 30th, 2016

W. Kamau Bell is a comedian and a writer. But you probably know him from one of his podcasts(Denzel Washington Is The Greatest Actor Of All Time Period and Politically Re-Active) or his CNN show The United Shades of America.In this conversation, Bell...Show More

Malcolm Gladwell on the danger of joining consensus opinions

1:30:29 | Aug 23rd, 2016

Malcolm Gladwell needs no introduction (though if you didn't know the famed author has launched a podcast, you should — it's called Revisionist History, and it's great.).Gladwell's work has become so iconic, so known, that it's become easy to take it...Show More

Grant Gordon on studying the world's worst conflicts

1:26:05 | Aug 16th, 2016

Grant Gordon is a political scientist and policymaker who specializes in humanitarian intervention. He’s a fellow at the Stanford Center on International Conflict and Negotiation, and has worked on humanitarian and development policy for the United N...Show More

Melissa Bell on starting Vox, managing media, and connecting newsrooms

1:19:32 | Aug 9th, 2016

I first started working with Melissa Bell at the Washington Post. I was trying to launch a new product — Wonkblog — and I needed some design work done. Melissa wasn't a designer. She wasn't a coder. She didn't manage designers or coders. She was, rat...Show More

Atul Gawande on surgery, writing, Obamacare, and indie music

1:34:16 | Aug 2nd, 2016

I've wanted to do this interview for a long, long time.Atul Gawande is a surgeon at Brigham and Women’s Hospital. He's a professor in the Department of Health Policy and Management at the Harvard School of Public Health. He is executive director of A...Show More

Trevor Noah, host of The Daily Show

1:13:05 | Jul 26th, 2016

This is a serious conversation with a very funny man.Trevor Noah is the host of Comedy Central's the Daily Show. He's also a stand-up comic who grew up in apartheid South Africa, the son of a black mother and a white father. That was illegal in apart...Show More

Conservative intellectual Yuval Levin on how the Republican Party lost its way

1:14:28 | Jul 19th, 2016

Yuval Levin has been called "the most influential conservative intellectual of the Obama era," and the moniker fits. As editor of National Affairs — in my opinion, the best policy journal going on the right — he's been at the head of the "reformicon"...Show More

Hillary Clinton. Yes, that Hillary Clinton.

44:34 | Jul 12th, 2016

My interview this week is with Hillary Clinton. You may have heard of her.I won't bore you with Clinton's bio. Instead, I want to say a few words about what this interview is, as it's a bit different than the EK Show's normal fare (though I do ask he...Show More

Patrick Brown on plant-meat that bleeds and the science of flavor

42:51 | Jul 5th, 2016

Not long ago, I had the chance to eat a burger from a company called Impossible Foods. The burger was delicious. It was juicy, savory, and bloody. Oh, and it was made from plants.Yes, they've created a veggie burger that bleeds. Patrick Brown is the ...Show More

Heather McGhee on what Democrats get wrong about racism

1:14:04 | Jun 28th, 2016

Heather McGhee is the president of the think tank Demos, and one of the most interesting thinkers today on the intersection of racism and economic inequality.Among Heather's most interesting arguments is her belief that "the left will have to challen...Show More

Jesse Eisenberg on Jewish humor, writing lessons, and interrogating strangers

58:13 | Jun 21st, 2016

My guest on this episode is Jesse Eisenberg — who you may know as Lex Luthor in Batman V. Superman, Mark Zuckerberg in The Social Network, or Daniel Atlas in the just-released Now You See Me 2.I was apprehensive about this interview. I haven't interv...Show More

Jessica Valenti on honesty, internet trolls, and modern feminism

1:08:12 | Jun 14th, 2016

Jessica Valenti is the founder of Feministing, a columnist at the Guardian, and the author of the new book "Sex Object." She's also a friend from the early days of blogging. In this podcast, we talk about the early days of blogging, as well as how th...Show More

Moby on how cheap rent leads to great art

55:04 | Jun 7th, 2016

Moby's new memoir, Porcelain, is a great read for policy wonks. Really.It's less a history of music than a history of New York in the 80s and 90s, and a reflection on how density, crime, racial and sexual marginalization, and lax zoning policy create...Show More

Secretary of Labor (and maybe VP?) Tom Perez

1:03:44 | May 31st, 2016

Tom Perez is President Obama's Secretary of Labor. He is also, according to the New York Times, on Hillary Clinton's shortlist for the vice presidency.I spoke with Perez about his path to the Labor Department, the powers of the Secretary of Labor, th...Show More

Andrew Sullivan on quitting blogging, fearing political correctness, and Donald Trump

1:51:18 | May 24th, 2016

Last year, Andrew Sullivan quit blogging — the medium he had done so much to create. And you know what? He was pretty damn happy about it. He was taking walks, meditating, exercising, reading, and generally living the good life. Of course, then Donal...Show More

Alice Rivlin, queen of Washington's budget wonks

54:38 | May 17th, 2016

There is no budget wonk in Washington with a resume as thick as Alice Rivlin's. She was the founding director of the Congressional Budget Office. She was the director of President Bill Clinton's Office of Management and Budget. She was vice chair of ...Show More

Arianna Huffington on sleep, death, and social media

1:25:40 | May 10th, 2016

Arianna Huffington is, of course, the editor and namesake of the Huffington Post, one of the true juggernauts of the new media world. But her path to that position has been a winding one. She was a prominent conservative — and a confidante of Newt Gi...Show More

Robert Reich on supporting Bernie Sanders, dating Hillary Clinton, and fighting inequality

1:41:10 | May 3rd, 2016

You could fill a podcast just reciting Robert Reich's biography. Rhodes Scholar. Assistant to U.S. Solicitor General Robert Bork. Director of policy planning at the Federal Trade Commission under Carter. Secretary of Labor for Bill Clinton. Candidate...Show More

Bruce Friedrich on how technology will reduce animal suffering

1:16:28 | Apr 26th, 2016

When I first met Bruce Friedrich, he was running PETA's awareness campaigns. Yeah, those campaigns — the ones where naked people stuffed themselves in saran wrap and cages, and where wounded chickens limped outside KFCs.He was also one of the smartes...Show More

Ben Thompson on how to make it in media in 2016

1:32:03 | Apr 19th, 2016

Note: If you saw this twice, this is a reissue of a previous episode, with corrected audio.Since starting his site Stratechery in 2013, Ben Thompson has established himself as one of the smartest and most thoughtful analysts at the intersection of me...Show More

Ben Thompson on how the media business is changing

1:32:03 | Apr 19th, 2016

Note: There was a technical issue with the first upload of this show, please re-download if you got to it early.Since starting his site Stratechery in 2013, Ben Thompson has established himself as one of the smartest and most thoughtful analysts at t...Show More

Grover Norquist explains what it takes to change American politics

1:26:47 | Apr 12th, 2016

This is an interview you all have been asking for since day one. Grover Norquist is the head of Americans for Tax Reform, the creator of the no-new-taxes pledge that virtually every Republican officeholder has signed, and the founder of the Wednesday...Show More

Neera Tanden on what it's like to work for Hillary Clinton

1:07:45 | Apr 5th, 2016

Neera Tanden is CEO of the Center for American Progress — perhaps the most influential left-leaning think tank in Washington. Before that, though, she was the policy director for both Hillary Clinton's Senate office and 2008 campaign, as well as a se...Show More

David Chang, head of the Momofuku empire

1:24:39 | Mar 29th, 2016

David Chang has driven many of the most important food trends of the last decade. His Momofuku empire has put pork belly on your plate, ramen on your corner, and bagel bombs in your local coffee shop. He's received four James Beard awards, been named...Show More

Cory Booker on the spiritual dimension of politics

1:45:16 | Mar 22nd, 2016

Cory Booker is a United States senator from New Jersey, the only vegan in Congress, and the author of the new book "United: Thoughts on Finding Common Ground and Advancing the Common Good". In this conversation, Ezra and Booker go deep on Booker's hi...Show More

Michael Needham on the Republican Party's crack-up

1:08:33 | Mar 15th, 2016

Want to understand what's happened to the Republican Party? Then listen to this discussion.Michael Needham is the CEO of Heritage Action for America, where he's been one of the activists at the center of the fight between the Republican establishment...Show More

Jim Yong Kim on revolutionizing how we treat the world's poor

1:12:27 | Mar 8th, 2016

This was an amazing interview.Jim Yong Kim is the president of the World Bank — the massive, multilateral institution dedicated to eradicating poverty. But Kim is also a public-health legend: he was a co-founder of Partners in Health, which revolutio...Show More

Theda Skocpol on how political scientists think differently about politics

57:50 | Mar 1st, 2016

Political science is a misunderstood discipline. It's often laughed off by people who think it's ridiculous that something as human and contingent and unpredictable as politics can be called a science. Chemistry is a science. Politics is a hobby. Pol...Show More

Bill Gates on stopping climate change, building robots, and the best books he's read

40:34 | Feb 23rd, 2016

Bill Gates is one of those people for whom "needs no introduction" is actually true. The polymathic Microsoft founder now leads the world's largest and most important private foundation, and he's predicting that we're on the cusp of the energy breakt...Show More

How lobbying works, with super-lobbyist Tony Podesta

56:03 | Feb 16th, 2016

When the New York Times profiled Tony Podesta, the headline was simply: "Tony Podesta, superlobbyist." Podesta is head of the Podesta group, and considered by many to be the most powerful, or at least one of the most powerful, lobbyists in Washington...Show More

Rachel Maddow on skinhead rallies, AIDS activism, and why she doesn't read op-eds

1:40:52 | Feb 9th, 2016

Rachel Maddow is, of course, the host of MSNBC's top-rated, Emmy-award winning primetime news show and the bestselling author of "Drift: The Unmooring of American Military Power." But Maddow took a winding path to cable news — a path that included sc...Show More

Coming Soon -- The Ezra Klein Show

01:08 | Feb 4th, 2016

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